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		<title>By: s9</title>
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		<dc:creator>s9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The neologism you want to look up with Mr. Gazoogle is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=bureaucrash&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bureaucrash&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neologism you want to look up with Mr. Gazoogle is <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=bureaucrash" rel="nofollow">Bureaucrash</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveB</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have to admit that United for Peace &amp; Justice organized 11 demonstrations in 11 cities all on the same day in October 2007, so yeah okay, the left engages in some level of astroturfing.&lt;/i&gt;

I think the standard definition of &quot;astroturfing&quot; is that you have some powerful interest, like, say, &lt;a href=&quot;http://priceofoil.org/2009/08/14/fake-oil-industry-astroturf-campaign-exposed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the oil industry&lt;/a&gt;, that wants to create the &lt;i&gt;appearance&lt;/i&gt; of a groundswell of public support for their position, so they hire a PR firm to gin up some fake &quot;grassroots&quot; events. 

It&#039;s disturbing to see at least some liberals responding to the tea-party and town-hall protests by claiming that any level of organization is de-legitimizing, e.g., that these protests were &quot;astroturfed&quot; because right-wing talk radio told people to go, or provided talking points to the protesters. Organization, by itself, isn&#039;t &quot;astroturf.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have to admit that United for Peace &amp; Justice organized 11 demonstrations in 11 cities all on the same day in October 2007, so yeah okay, the left engages in some level of astroturfing.</i></p>
<p>I think the standard definition of &#8220;astroturfing&#8221; is that you have some powerful interest, like, say, <a href="http://priceofoil.org/2009/08/14/fake-oil-industry-astroturf-campaign-exposed/" rel="nofollow">the oil industry</a>, that wants to create the <i>appearance</i> of a groundswell of public support for their position, so they hire a PR firm to gin up some fake &#8220;grassroots&#8221; events. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s disturbing to see at least some liberals responding to the tea-party and town-hall protests by claiming that any level of organization is de-legitimizing, e.g., that these protests were &#8220;astroturfed&#8221; because right-wing talk radio told people to go, or provided talking points to the protesters. Organization, by itself, isn&#8217;t &#8220;astroturf.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich2506</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich2506</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an email correspondence with a right-winger and we got into the whole &quot;grass-roots&quot; vs &quot;astroturf&quot; dispute. I have to admit that United for Peace &amp; Justice organized 11 demonstrations in 11 cities all on the same day in October 2007, so yeah okay, the left engages in some level of astroturfing. It&#039;s not a entirely black &amp; white kind of thing. 
Still, as a participant in the planning for one of those 11 cities, I can attest that UFPJ didn&#039;t provide us with any funds, nor with any serious amount of national or regional publicity or even extensive staff help (We coordinated our message and all 11 cities made use of a common website, split up into 11 sections). So  saying that the left engages in astroturf &quot;just like&quot; the right wing does is like saying that the occasional murmuring and muttering and low-level &quot;No&quot; that comes from Democrats when a Republican President speaks is &quot;just like&quot; Congressman Joe Wilson&#039;s outburst at Obama a few days back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an email correspondence with a right-winger and we got into the whole &#8220;grass-roots&#8221; vs &#8220;astroturf&#8221; dispute. I have to admit that United for Peace &amp; Justice organized 11 demonstrations in 11 cities all on the same day in October 2007, so yeah okay, the left engages in some level of astroturfing. It&#8217;s not a entirely black &amp; white kind of thing.<br />
Still, as a participant in the planning for one of those 11 cities, I can attest that UFPJ didn&#8217;t provide us with any funds, nor with any serious amount of national or regional publicity or even extensive staff help (We coordinated our message and all 11 cities made use of a common website, split up into 11 sections). So  saying that the left engages in astroturf &#8220;just like&#8221; the right wing does is like saying that the occasional murmuring and muttering and low-level &#8220;No&#8221; that comes from Democrats when a Republican President speaks is &#8220;just like&#8221; Congressman Joe Wilson&#8217;s outburst at Obama a few days back.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bad Bald Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Bad Bald Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDMM wins the Internets for EVAR!

Debord r00lz!  Situationists 4evah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDMM wins the Internets for EVAR!</p>
<p>Debord r00lz!  Situationists 4evah.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Bouffant</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/24861.html/comment-page-1#comment-974816</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Bouffant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw-reet!! Situationists!!</description>
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		<title>By: krassen</title>
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		<dc:creator>krassen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gav,
is that ResistNet or, you know, RacistNet? Not quite clear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gav,<br />
is that ResistNet or, you know, RacistNet? Not quite clear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teh Great Gazoogle</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/24861.html/comment-page-1#comment-974762</link>
		<dc:creator>Teh Great Gazoogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Results 1 - 10 of about 129,000 for false flag &quot;operation gladio&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Results 1 &#8211; 10 of about 129,000 for false flag &#8220;operation gladio&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dadanarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>dadanarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest everybody read (or reread) this:

http://www.notbored.org/report.html
http://www.notbored.org/censor.html

It was written by an Italian member of the Situationist International (ultra-left 1960s grouping that was on the cutting edge of critiquing the marriage of media, capitalism and political power). He published it anonymously under the name &#039;Censor,&#039; and circulated it to heads of industry in Italy. Most of those he sent it to agreed with his theses, which basically called for Italian Capital to fund false flag terror attacks to undermine the Italian Left and far left.

It makes for sobering but incisive reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest everybody read (or reread) this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.notbored.org/report.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.notbored.org/report.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.notbored.org/censor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.notbored.org/censor.html</a></p>
<p>It was written by an Italian member of the Situationist International (ultra-left 1960s grouping that was on the cutting edge of critiquing the marriage of media, capitalism and political power). He published it anonymously under the name &#8216;Censor,&#8217; and circulated it to heads of industry in Italy. Most of those he sent it to agreed with his theses, which basically called for Italian Capital to fund false flag terror attacks to undermine the Italian Left and far left.</p>
<p>It makes for sobering but incisive reading.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Aristophanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, remind me to read the rest of your comment, Little Pig, before pretty much copying you exactly. -shame-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, remind me to read the rest of your comment, Little Pig, before pretty much copying you exactly. -shame-</p>
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		<title>By: D. Aristophanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False Flag Operations Rule #1: Don’t pad the part.

It would have been better if &#039;the caller&#039; had said:

&#039;I done been had been put a bizzomb in yo&#039; bizzuildin&#039; bee-yatch! Gaia forever! Remember the Chicago Seven! Allahu Akbar!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False Flag Operations Rule #1: Don’t pad the part.</p>
<p>It would have been better if &#8216;the caller&#8217; had said:</p>
<p>&#8216;I done been had been put a bizzomb in yo&#8217; bizzuildin&#8217; bee-yatch! Gaia forever! Remember the Chicago Seven! Allahu Akbar!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smells like major Ratfuck Fail.

I&#039;m rather surprised that the call wasn&#039;t instantly traced via call-display to some local ACORN office ... &amp; &quot;fortuitously&quot; videotaped in-progress for good measure.

(insert &quot;they&#039;re just phoning it in&quot; joke here)

They&#039;re long-since shrivelled down to a shadow of their original (even then pretty damn lame) strength, &amp; I&#039;m supposed to believe they&#039;re getting bomb-threats NOW?

They better watch their asses. Calling in a fake assault can get you a bad reputation &amp; psychotherapy; calling in fake terrorism can get you a very interesting set of bunkmates for a long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smells like major Ratfuck Fail.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rather surprised that the call wasn&#8217;t instantly traced via call-display to some local ACORN office &#8230; &amp; &#8220;fortuitously&#8221; videotaped in-progress for good measure.</p>
<p>(insert &#8220;they&#8217;re just phoning it in&#8221; joke here)</p>
<p>They&#8217;re long-since shrivelled down to a shadow of their original (even then pretty damn lame) strength, &amp; I&#8217;m supposed to believe they&#8217;re getting bomb-threats NOW?</p>
<p>They better watch their asses. Calling in a fake assault can get you a bad reputation &amp; psychotherapy; calling in fake terrorism can get you a very interesting set of bunkmates for a long, long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wonderful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Wonderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What--go be surprised--pussies.  A (supposed) phone call, and they go running to the socialist shock troops.  Did they need help leaving the building?  Did the nice officers hold the door open for them?  Oh good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8211;go be surprised&#8211;pussies.  A (supposed) phone call, and they go running to the socialist shock troops.  Did they need help leaving the building?  Did the nice officers hold the door open for them?  Oh good.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dick Armey?  Is that seriously his name?  I think I&#039;m in love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Armey?  Is that seriously his name?  I think I&#8217;m in love.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Bouffant</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Bouffant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, a PROTIP for would-be bomb threateners. The more info you give, the more likely they are to take you seriously. 

Calling &amp; saying &quot;There&#039;s a bomb in the broom closet in the southeast part of the third floor &amp; it&#039;s going off in ten minutes&quot; is pretty much a guaranteed bldg. clearer. 

&quot;I put a bomb in your building, bitch,&quot; just isn&#039;t going to work as well. Of course, who knows what was really said. (And the DC Police may be working on a different standard these days.) It doesn&#039;t clearly state that the DC Police said that&#039;s what was said, anyway, &amp; we know how far FW should be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, a PROTIP for would-be bomb threateners. The more info you give, the more likely they are to take you seriously. </p>
<p>Calling &amp; saying &#8220;There&#8217;s a bomb in the broom closet in the southeast part of the third floor &amp; it&#8217;s going off in ten minutes&#8221; is pretty much a guaranteed bldg. clearer. </p>
<p>&#8220;I put a bomb in your building, bitch,&#8221; just isn&#8217;t going to work as well. Of course, who knows what was really said. (And the DC Police may be working on a different standard these days.) It doesn&#8217;t clearly state that the DC Police said that&#8217;s what was said, anyway, &amp; we know how far FW should be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: J—</title>
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		<dc:creator>J—</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sheesh, I thought this was a birth announcement.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s what Steinhauser was hoping.  Birth of a nation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sheesh, I thought this was a birth announcement.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Steinhauser was hoping.  Birth of a nation!</p>
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		<title>By: LittlePig</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittlePig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;most teabaggers are grayhaired pensioners anyway&lt;/i&gt;

Naturally.  When your scrotum hangs down to your knees it makes the process that much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>most teabaggers are grayhaired pensioners anyway</i></p>
<p>Naturally.  When your scrotum hangs down to your knees it makes the process that much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugluks Flea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugluks Flea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Washington Independent yesterday, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/58591/tea-party-protesters-arrive-in-d-c-cheer-wilson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; on a teabagging pre-rally, described as having &quot;several hundred&quot; attendees.

And now, ABC apparently says there are &quot;Tens of thousands&quot; expected at the main event.  So here&#039;s my question - logistically speaking, shouldn&#039;t their have been more teabaggers in town for the big name teabagging pre-rally, also organized by Freedomworks, if there are going to be tens of thousands teabagging away on the Mall later today?  Sure, republicans like to say they don&#039;t go to protests cause they gots jobs and such, and that since this pre-rally was during the week they couldn&#039;t go, but since most teabaggers are grayhaired pensioners anyway, I would imagine it would be less of an issue.

I will be very surprised if their actual baggy numbers today break ten of thousand, let alone tens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Washington Independent yesterday, a <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/58591/tea-party-protesters-arrive-in-d-c-cheer-wilson" rel="nofollow">report</a> on a teabagging pre-rally, described as having &#8220;several hundred&#8221; attendees.</p>
<p>And now, ABC apparently says there are &#8220;Tens of thousands&#8221; expected at the main event.  So here&#8217;s my question &#8211; logistically speaking, shouldn&#8217;t their have been more teabaggers in town for the big name teabagging pre-rally, also organized by Freedomworks, if there are going to be tens of thousands teabagging away on the Mall later today?  Sure, republicans like to say they don&#8217;t go to protests cause they gots jobs and such, and that since this pre-rally was during the week they couldn&#8217;t go, but since most teabaggers are grayhaired pensioners anyway, I would imagine it would be less of an issue.</p>
<p>I will be very surprised if their actual baggy numbers today break ten of thousand, let alone tens.</p>
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		<title>By: LittlePig</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittlePig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I put a bomb in your building, bitch.”&lt;/i&gt;

False Flag Operations Rule #1:  Don&#039;t pad the part.

Sheesh, what drama queens.  I&#039;m surprised Armey didn&#039;t report it as &quot;And then the guy said menancingly, &#039;Iz done be putting a bombizzle in yo buildizzle, you cracka-ass cracka&#039;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I put a bomb in your building, bitch.”</i></p>
<p>False Flag Operations Rule #1:  Don&#8217;t pad the part.</p>
<p>Sheesh, what drama queens.  I&#8217;m surprised Armey didn&#8217;t report it as &#8220;And then the guy said menancingly, &#8216;Iz done be putting a bombizzle in yo buildizzle, you cracka-ass cracka&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Aristophanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, what&#039;s up with the Freeper march on Washington that was kicked around in the long ago times? The one where the one guy was all rescinding entire articles of the Constitution by fiat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, what&#8217;s up with the Freeper march on Washington that was kicked around in the long ago times? The one where the one guy was all rescinding entire articles of the Constitution by fiat?</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That’s weird. That’s exactly what Gavin said to me when we found out about my pregnancy.&lt;/i&gt;

Woot!</description>
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<p>Woot!</p>
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