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		<title>By: Soylent Green</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator>Soylent Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There there is my next-door...whatever.

Four-square Christian and proud Fundi...according to her &quot;Saddam is worse than Hitler&quot;.

...classic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There there is my next-door&#8230;whatever.</p>
<p>Four-square Christian and proud Fundi&#8230;according to her &#8220;Saddam is worse than Hitler&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8230;classic.</p>
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		<title>By: LA Confidential Pantload</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Confidential Pantload</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ianua,  the cult of personality certainly smacks of Il Duce, but the rest of it reminds me a lot more of the Falange - Franco, Jeebus, the Corporate State - all in one big messy stew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ianua,  the cult of personality certainly smacks of Il Duce, but the rest of it reminds me a lot more of the Falange &#8211; Franco, Jeebus, the Corporate State &#8211; all in one big messy stew.</p>
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		<title>By: Ianua Ditis</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5051</link>
		<dc:creator>Ianua Ditis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leftwingnut - The problem is, (and I think that this was intentionally brought about by some on the right), that the very name of Hitler has become so associated with absolute evil that even salient comparisons are automatically dismissed as &#039;nutty extremism&#039; or &#039;trivializing the suffering of Jews.&#039; to the point where we get crybaby wankers bitching about tranlations that seem to imply that Bush is even remotely like Hitler. 

(Personally I think he&#039;s much more like Mussolini, whose public persona of competent manliness concealed a momma&#039;s boy failure who was the figurehead of a violent and reactionary movement he could never really control.)

My point is though, that the typical reaction to the Nazis was &#039;never again,&#039; and yet every time someone says &#039;here we go again&#039; there is a chorus ready to accuse them of exaggeration and hyperbole.  The only people who benefit from the Nazi comparison being out of bounds are those who would emulate them.  

Furthermore, there was nothing really exceptional or remarkable about Hitler and the horrors he inflicted, not just against the Jews, but against millions of his neighbors of various races and religions.  He was not an inhuman monster, but merely an all too human figure who was allowed to get out of hand.  

So I&#039;d much rather have people be too ready to compare a leader to Hitler than to say &#039;well, he hasn&#039;t actually killed a million people yet, let&#039;s wait a little while until that total is high enough, then we can say he&#039;s like Hitler.&#039; 

Keep in mind also that the loony right benefits from the double standard that they have set up.  They are free to refer to the left as Stalinists or Nazis all they want, but as soon as one of us does it to someone on their side, it&#039;s out of bounds and extremist.  It&#039;s bullshit, and I don&#039;t buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leftwingnut &#8211; The problem is, (and I think that this was intentionally brought about by some on the right), that the very name of Hitler has become so associated with absolute evil that even salient comparisons are automatically dismissed as &#8216;nutty extremism&#8217; or &#8216;trivializing the suffering of Jews.&#8217; to the point where we get crybaby wankers bitching about tranlations that seem to imply that Bush is even remotely like Hitler. </p>
<p>(Personally I think he&#8217;s much more like Mussolini, whose public persona of competent manliness concealed a momma&#8217;s boy failure who was the figurehead of a violent and reactionary movement he could never really control.)</p>
<p>My point is though, that the typical reaction to the Nazis was &#8216;never again,&#8217; and yet every time someone says &#8216;here we go again&#8217; there is a chorus ready to accuse them of exaggeration and hyperbole.  The only people who benefit from the Nazi comparison being out of bounds are those who would emulate them.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, there was nothing really exceptional or remarkable about Hitler and the horrors he inflicted, not just against the Jews, but against millions of his neighbors of various races and religions.  He was not an inhuman monster, but merely an all too human figure who was allowed to get out of hand.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d much rather have people be too ready to compare a leader to Hitler than to say &#8216;well, he hasn&#8217;t actually killed a million people yet, let&#8217;s wait a little while until that total is high enough, then we can say he&#8217;s like Hitler.&#8217; </p>
<p>Keep in mind also that the loony right benefits from the double standard that they have set up.  They are free to refer to the left as Stalinists or Nazis all they want, but as soon as one of us does it to someone on their side, it&#8217;s out of bounds and extremist.  It&#8217;s bullshit, and I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tak, the Hideous New Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5050</link>
		<dc:creator>Tak, the Hideous New Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, guys, where&#039;s the Hitler kitty?

If you&#039;re gonna do a piece like this, I should think that Hitler kitty would be an appropriate illustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, guys, where&#8217;s the Hitler kitty?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re gonna do a piece like this, I should think that Hitler kitty would be an appropriate illustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmah420</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5049</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why everyone gets so upset when they get compared to Hitler, you could compare me to Hitler all day, but you wouldn&#039;t find too many similarities beyond &quot;Hey that guy drinks orange juice... much like Hitler did once.&quot;

I say, if you don&#039;t want to be compared to hitler, don&#039;t do things that make it easy for people to compare you to him.

Also, can I just say that the various commentors here that consistently hand people like RayD their ass in a paper bag are the Furers of mein heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why everyone gets so upset when they get compared to Hitler, you could compare me to Hitler all day, but you wouldn&#8217;t find too many similarities beyond &#8220;Hey that guy drinks orange juice&#8230; much like Hitler did once.&#8221;</p>
<p>I say, if you don&#8217;t want to be compared to hitler, don&#8217;t do things that make it easy for people to compare you to him.</p>
<p>Also, can I just say that the various commentors here that consistently hand people like RayD their ass in a paper bag are the Furers of mein heart.</p>
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		<title>By: LA Confidential Pantload</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leftwingnut, I hear you, and I agree that the neocons and other wingnuts would get upset with this comparison.  After all, their hero was a decorated war veteran who was wounded in combat, not a drunken frat boy who went AWOL from a plummy National Guard spot...oh.  Oh.  Sorry....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leftwingnut, I hear you, and I agree that the neocons and other wingnuts would get upset with this comparison.  After all, their hero was a decorated war veteran who was wounded in combat, not a drunken frat boy who went AWOL from a plummy National Guard spot&#8230;oh.  Oh.  Sorry&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: leftwingnut</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit, Bush is a little on the controlling side, but comparing him to Hitler?  C&#039;mon, that&#039;s the kind of nutty extremism that gives neocons an excuse to marginalize us libs. Not only that, it also trivializes the horror Hitler unleashed on the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit, Bush is a little on the controlling side, but comparing him to Hitler?  C&#8217;mon, that&#8217;s the kind of nutty extremism that gives neocons an excuse to marginalize us libs. Not only that, it also trivializes the horror Hitler unleashed on the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tell a lie, &quot;is&quot; is a little strong.  &quot;Can be&quot; would be more accurate, and the two examples are pretty different.  You get my drift, though, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tell a lie, &#8220;is&#8221; is a little strong.  &#8220;Can be&#8221; would be more accurate, and the two examples are pretty different.  You get my drift, though, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Die Menschen&quot; is the grammatical subject in German, but that&#039;s one of those places where language construction differs.  &quot;Am Herzen liegen&quot; is like &quot;fehlen&quot; or &quot;schmecken&quot; and so forth in that the subject in German is an object when translated into English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Die Menschen&#8221; is the grammatical subject in German, but that&#8217;s one of those places where language construction differs.  &#8220;Am Herzen liegen&#8221; is like &#8220;fehlen&#8221; or &#8220;schmecken&#8221; and so forth in that the subject in German is an object when translated into English.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbiter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raj: I don&#039;t think you&#039;d want to say &quot;ich bin kalt&quot; in most situations.

Having read the original article in Der Spiegel auf Deutsch, I can&#039;t say that I understand why these folks are getting their panties in a bunch. It&#039;s hardly a hit piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raj: I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d want to say &#8220;ich bin kalt&#8221; in most situations.</p>
<p>Having read the original article in Der Spiegel auf Deutsch, I can&#8217;t say that I understand why these folks are getting their panties in a bunch. It&#8217;s hardly a hit piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
&quot;And now I will get out of your way for good.&quot;
Posted by: RayD &#124; February 27, 2006 04:53 AM

&lt;i&gt;
...and yet he keeps on coming back time and time again.
&lt;i&gt;
OCD?
&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe he&#039;s Daphne from Pandagon. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
&#8220;And now I will get out of your way for good.&#8221;<br />
Posted by: RayD | February 27, 2006 04:53 AM</p>
<p></i><i><br />
&#8230;and yet he keeps on coming back time and time again.<br />
</i><i><br />
OCD?<br />
</i></p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s Daphne from Pandagon. </p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew &#124; February 27, 2006 05:54 PM

Point taken.  I&#039;ve seen constructs such as the &quot;mir ist kalt&quot;, but I had always considered it that the subject (es) was left out because it was understood: mir ist es kalt (to me it is cold--although I would probably say something like &quot;ich bin kalt).  With the phrase at hand, I figured that the subject was &quot;die Menschen&quot; (since it was in the nominative case), and &quot;ihm&quot; is of course the indirect object (dative).

On the other hand, I recognize that one can&#039;t directly translate from German to English, and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew | February 27, 2006 05:54 PM</p>
<p>Point taken.  I&#8217;ve seen constructs such as the &#8220;mir ist kalt&#8221;, but I had always considered it that the subject (es) was left out because it was understood: mir ist es kalt (to me it is cold&#8211;although I would probably say something like &#8220;ich bin kalt).  With the phrase at hand, I figured that the subject was &#8220;die Menschen&#8221; (since it was in the nominative case), and &#8220;ihm&#8221; is of course the indirect object (dative).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I recognize that one can&#8217;t directly translate from German to English, and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: MCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 03:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Dr. Freud, it&#039;s just yet another wingnut making a liar of himself, as per usual, and splendidly at that.

Unless, that is, Roy takes &quot;for good&quot; to not mean &quot;forever&quot; as in common parlance, but instead something else, likely of his own coinage. Since the right these days is quite big on realigning the definitions of many common words--freedom, democracy, war, treason, compassion, conservative, to name just a few--to align them with their political objectives, Roy wanted in on this linguistic open season.

But, like a Dick, he shoots, sprays everywhere, makes a big mess, misses the target, and is then caught in a contradiction. Fun!

All that&#039;s left undone in the Wingnut Field Manual now is to blame the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Dr. Freud, it&#8217;s just yet another wingnut making a liar of himself, as per usual, and splendidly at that.</p>
<p>Unless, that is, Roy takes &#8220;for good&#8221; to not mean &#8220;forever&#8221; as in common parlance, but instead something else, likely of his own coinage. Since the right these days is quite big on realigning the definitions of many common words&#8211;freedom, democracy, war, treason, compassion, conservative, to name just a few&#8211;to align them with their political objectives, Roy wanted in on this linguistic open season.</p>
<p>But, like a Dick, he shoots, sprays everywhere, makes a big mess, misses the target, and is then caught in a contradiction. Fun!</p>
<p>All that&#8217;s left undone in the Wingnut Field Manual now is to blame the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Freud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Freud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And now I will get out of your way for good.&quot;
Posted by: RayD &#124; February 27, 2006 04:53 AM


...and yet he keeps on coming back time and time again.

OCD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And now I will get out of your way for good.&#8221;<br />
Posted by: RayD | February 27, 2006 04:53 AM</p>
<p>&#8230;and yet he keeps on coming back time and time again.</p>
<p>OCD?</p>
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		<title>By: Bush Bin Loofafucking</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/2395.html#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>Bush Bin Loofafucking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ein Volk
Ein Riech
Ein IQ point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ein Volk<br />
Ein Riech<br />
Ein IQ point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pere Ubu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pere Ubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO Mr. Ray is claiming he&#039;s not a conservative?

Well, one might go look at his list of endorsements from Malkin, LGF, Instashiznit, and Sully; as well as his links to &quot;Day By Day&quot;, Nice Doggie, Vodkapundit and Roger Simon. 

Well, they shall judge thee by the company you keep. Or in other words, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO Mr. Ray is claiming he&#8217;s not a conservative?</p>
<p>Well, one might go look at his list of endorsements from Malkin, LGF, Instashiznit, and Sully; as well as his links to &#8220;Day By Day&#8221;, Nice Doggie, Vodkapundit and Roger Simon. </p>
<p>Well, they shall judge thee by the company you keep. Or in other words, lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.</p>
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		<title>By: Hysterical Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hysterical Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does it matter if a German newspaper doesn&#039;t like Bush? Heck, why are we agruing this with a guy who thinks a postive portrayl of &lt;i&gt;American President&lt;/i&gt; Clinton is anti-American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it matter if a German newspaper doesn&#8217;t like Bush? Heck, why are we agruing this with a guy who thinks a postive portrayl of <i>American President</i> Clinton is anti-American?</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin, 

Ben Shapiro called. He thinks it&#039;s seditious that you stole that picture from his agitprop material. I told him I don&#039;t think that word means what he thinks it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin, </p>
<p>Ben Shapiro called. He thinks it&#8217;s seditious that you stole that picture from his agitprop material. I told him I don&#8217;t think that word means what he thinks it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raj, 

I just wanted to back up Menshevik&#039;s comment and also to tell you your confusion might stem from misreading &quot;ihm&quot; as &quot;ihn.&quot;  With &quot;ihn&quot; the sentence as is would make no sense, but with a slight change in the verb (&quot;liegen&quot; to &quot;legen&quot;/ lie to lay) it would then translate literally as &quot;People lay him at the heart,&quot; which sounds like what you&#039;re taking as the meaning.

Like tigirismus said, it&#039;s one of those things that doesn&#039;t really translate well word-for-word, kind of like &quot;mir ist kalt.  (In fact, with a little word order change, you can see how it is exactly like that: &quot;Ihm liegen die Menschen am Herzen.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj, </p>
<p>I just wanted to back up Menshevik&#8217;s comment and also to tell you your confusion might stem from misreading &#8220;ihm&#8221; as &#8220;ihn.&#8221;  With &#8220;ihn&#8221; the sentence as is would make no sense, but with a slight change in the verb (&#8220;liegen&#8221; to &#8220;legen&#8221;/ lie to lay) it would then translate literally as &#8220;People lay him at the heart,&#8221; which sounds like what you&#8217;re taking as the meaning.</p>
<p>Like tigirismus said, it&#8217;s one of those things that doesn&#8217;t really translate well word-for-word, kind of like &#8220;mir ist kalt.  (In fact, with a little word order change, you can see how it is exactly like that: &#8220;Ihm liegen die Menschen am Herzen.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Randomfactor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randomfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...maybe they ARE comparing Bush to Hitler.

But not FAVORABLY.  Shouldn&#039;t that count for something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;maybe they ARE comparing Bush to Hitler.</p>
<p>But not FAVORABLY.  Shouldn&#8217;t that count for something?</p>
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