A-rod
Sheffield
Clemens
Pettit
Giambi
Yeah, must just be a boston thing. I think everyone knows now that many, many baseball players were cheating. It’s only a question of who’s been caught.

bond
mcgwire
sosa
palmiero
tejada
canseco
caminiti
list just goes on and on, we just don’t know all the names on it

Sorry HTML, Bonds hit 25 HRs as a leadoff man for the Pirates at age 22 his second year in the league, and 33 two years later. He led the majors with 46 in 1993 for the Pirates. He’s always had power comparable to Canseco and McGwire, even in his “gazelle” stage. And those are statistics, not weaslley defense, Mr. Libertarian fanboy. I don’t doubt that Bonds may have used steroids, but he didn’t need them any more than McGwire or Canseco. Just because Bonds wasn’t a bloat from day one doesn’t mean he isn’t a natural power hitter. Both Hank Aaron and Willie Mays were smaller men than Bonds, so i guess neither of them were “classic sluggers” Oh, and Barry’s father was a 30-30 man six times. Look it up.

One could reasonably argue that such gauging criteria are out of the control of the cheater in question, and thus not legitimate criteria for gauging said cheater as greater or lesser on the overall cheating gauge.

Moderators weighing in on teh agrument.

Got one for y’all.

Doctor. College graduate. Giant-headed Frosty Look-A-Like.

My head grew a full size-and-a-half in a little over a year.

When I was 22.

Jus’ sayin:’

It’s not the size of the head, it’s the insane late-career production unmatched in the history of professional sport that cries out for the indictment of Barry Bonds.

Ortiz is small bait. OOH! OOH! Another overweight slugger is shot through with enough hormones to kill the Kentucky Derby field. Lah-dee-dah.

As for SuperBostonCheatMeisterTinyCraniumAssChinBrady…

Well, that’s a whole nother issue.

But the bit on McGwire and Canseco being ‘naturally’ lummoxes etc., bigger men at 19, etc. … ever consider the possibility that they might have been ‘roiding way back then too?

But this thread and all other threads about baseball suck because no matter how funny some of the comments are I can think of no way to make it about me by relating some personal anecdote that casts me as a heroic defier of authority figures or just smarter than everyone else. It’s outrageous and I shan’t be back.

More to the cheating point, McGwire was, what, 22 in that first pic? Canseco was probably about the same age. Look at Bonds at age, say, 27, generally considered a ballplayer’s physical peak. Look at Canseco and McGwire at the same age. Then look at all three at age, say, 18. If you still want to argue that there is no difference between their type builds, then you’re drinking the same bullshit D.A.’s been guzzling.

Back when this started S.I. had a slideshow of Bonds’s melon head over a period of years. At the start was a noraml human being. The final pic was the size of the head of one of those aliens who make you buikld Devil’s Tower out of your mashed potatoes.

Never admit any such thing. Always go w/ “I’ve been drinking, but that doesn’t make you any less of a …” or “I’ve had a couple of drinks, but your mother is still unappealing by any objective standard.”

For example.

P. S.: Pretty sure the ‘Niners could take the Razorbacks in a fair game.

Yeah, right.

http://www.collectselltrade.com/images/mark_mcgwire.JPG
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No, but nice try. Actually, I first gauged it on “most obviously metamorphasized” and “most uncharacteristically excellent to the extent of breaking records at an age at which it is inpossible to do so,” then I gauged it on “most weaselly defended” and “most likely to have fans who are jackass libertarians and degenerate fanboys.” Each time the gauge pegged at “Barry Bonds.”

If anything, I’m thinking Canseco and McGwire were the ‘premier cheaters’ b/c there’s some evidence that those guys were ‘roiding waaaay before Bonds, even though the three came up at roughly the same time. Wouldn’t ‘roiding for longer make you a bigger cheater?

You’re still on this shit?

Canseco and McGwire were *always* big men. Even as rookies. Even as college players.

Barry Bonds was the bigger cheater because he was the most *obvious* cheater. Maybe you didn’t see him when he played in Pittsburgh (or anywhere else outside S.F., where no one can do wrong) but I did. Barry Bonds’s natural build was “gazelle”; McGwire and Canseco were lummoxes from the get-go. Their bodies were made to hit HRs, with or without steroids, though of course they were horrible cheaters who should be asterisked and banned from the HoF. Barry Bonds was not a HR hitter in the classic slugger sense till McGwire and Sosa both hit over 60, then he got mad mad mad because his ego couldn’t take all the attention given them. It took *years* for him to juice himself enough to overcome his natural build and frame so that he could have the record all to himself. All steroids cheaters should be asterisked; considering intent and actual design, Barry Bonds should be “double asterisked” and shot in the face with a pitching machine operated by Hank Aaron and the descendants of Roger Maris on grounds of principle.

Anyway, once again your sad fanboy love of The Biggest Cheater forces you to take it out on those whom you perceive to be equally fanboyish, but of course are not. You will never admit the obvious fact that you are more invested in — and therefore more in denial about, and more ruthless and dishonest in defense of — your guy than anyone else is theirs. St. Louis actually had such a backlash that there was a movement to revoke the naming of a part of I-70 for Mark McGwire. Certainly McGwire’s name is mud among fans, and rightly so. That would never happen in S.F., because the more the evidence comes again against Bonds, the more you douchebags want to idolize him. It’s as if you sad sacks have set your goal to be even more morally degenerate and all-around sick-fucky than Cubs fans, which I had thought was the absolute threshold of allowable psychopathy in all MLB fandom.

Very early someone hit the point, so true, that you idiot Giants fans wouldn’t be so sick if you had actually won a W.C. Certainly winning a World Series stopped a lot of the insufferable self-pity of Red Sox nation. It almost — almost — makes me wish you pathetic losers had managed to beat the Angels in 2002. just to stop this gross transference of self-pity cum Bonds worship which plainly afflicts you.

Get this: even Cubs fans aren’t as invested in defending that cheater Sosa as you intolerable asshelmets are invested in defending Bonds — that’s how utterly around the bend you’re gone. Congrats, D.A.: you’re in internet libertarian baseball nerd territory.

You’re beyond the masochistic psychopathology of Cubs fans; you’re beyond the masochistic pathology of Red Sox fans prior to 2004; you’re beyond the pathetic homeboyism of Beane-worshipping A’s fans as well as the obnoxious-for-obnoxiousness’s-sake fanboyism of 1980′s Mets fans. You’ve invested all of your love not only of your team but all of baseball into one cheating sack of nutsack shit: cheating bastard extraordinaire, Barry Bonds, a megalomaniacal sociopath, who would just as soon spit on you as look you in the eye. All because you sick-fucks apparently *need* him, because you don’t have anything else. When it comes to baseball, you and your fellow Giants fans are truly the worst people in the world.

Yes, I’m drunk right now but you’re insane. You don’t give a flying shit about the Red Sox; you just want to get your guy off the hook by any argumentative means possible, damn honesty, decency, and whatever moral standards — if everybody cheated then Bonds wasn’t a cheater is the basic thrust of this post, no doubt lost on most people but not on me because I know exactly what the ledger book says regarding your toxic fanboy assets. Which is why you went blarg blarg over this, over Clemens, probably over Palmeiro, and I’m sure over whatever old-timer news comes out about greenies. Just stop. Eat it. Your guy was the most flagrant cheater *ever*. Nobody ever committed to a long-term plan of cheating with the specific goal of breaking one particular record just because his ego was bruised, no one, no one ever, but fucking Barry Bonds.

“…but no health coverage or other benefits.”

When wingnuts play the humor game, their only score is an own-goal.

INABIYPFTTIS.