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Prof Brings Toy Lightsaber To Gun Fight
Shorter The Other Dumber Perfesser That’s Not Ann Althouse:
ABOVE: Professor Jacobson, sadly, forgot to buy batteries
Assistant Clinical Perfesser Bill Jacobson, L-eg-a-l I-ns-u-r-ec-t-ile Dys-fu-nc-t-ion
Outer Objects To Outing
- A conservative actually outing a blogging liberal law professor is no big deal because law school faculties are so totally liberal. On the other hand, a liberal making a joke about outing Republicans who have mistresses is simply appalling.
‘Shorter’ concept created by Daniel Davies and perfected by Elton Beard. We are aware of all Internet traditions.™
Nom de Plume said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:07
since law academia overwhelmingly is liberal
Then why oh why are there seemingly hundreds of rightwing douchecannon law professors on the internet?
Rusty Shackleford said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:09
I am a lawyer. I went to law school. I worked at a law school. And I can say without equivocation that law academia is NOT overwhelmingly, or even whelmingly, liberal.
Pere Ubu said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:17
Then why oh why are there seemingly hundreds of rightwing douchecannon law professors on the internet?
‘Cause it’s the Internet, land of rightwing douchebags and Glibertarians.
Robt Ludlum's The Szslakian Szyzygy said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:26
His counter to publius’ complaint is that Tbogg offered to print pictures of republicans going to strip clubs in NYC five years ago, which Tbogg didn’t do after all. The judge would say that case is not a precedent and doesn’t apply to this case.
Five years ago Tbogg had his own site and we were overloaded with Basset Penis. Now Tbogg is on Firedoglake and we’re overloaded with Basset Vagina.
Anonymous said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:38
Amazingly enough, Jacobson’s links indicate that only conservatives are legitimate.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:45
Professor JacobsonOh noes! I have strike-through him down, and he will become more powerful than we can possibly imagine!
Scared spitless and fully aware there is a long and publically accessible record of my stupidity and fear said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:45
I am SO proud to be a Bushitting Republican.
PeeJ said,
June 7, 2009 at 18:49
The background on Jacobson’s page looks suspiciously dijony to me.
Jeff Fecke said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:01
When Dan Riehl finds your behavior appalling, you might want to withdraw from society.
J— said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:14
When Dan Riehl finds your behavior appalling, you might want to withdraw from society.
Dan Riehl is making sense. I never thought I would write such a sentence.
Meanwhile, Whelan has more to say.
I’ve checked J.K. Lopez’s Twitter feed to see if the editor of National Review Online has tipped her position on this matter, but so far nothing. The current silence on the Corner is deafening!
J— said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:14
Make that K.J. Lopez.
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:16
Went over there to check out his incoherent and logically convoluted argument. God what a WATB douchebag. That this guy has a job as anything other than a janitor appalls me (and he really wouldn’t be qualified for that).
Davis X. Machina said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:20
It had to be done. For the Cause. Reagan lo vult!
Snorghagen said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:40
When Dan Riehl finds your behavior appalling, you might want to withdraw from the time-space continuum.
From Jacobson:
Aw, gee, I guess that includes me. Cheapening online conduct is pretty much my only purpose in life. Incidentally, Jacobson seems to be a great admirer of John Bolton, Michelle Malkin, and many others who are renowned for their high-toned public conduct.
BTW, I am Anonymous at 18:38.
D. Sidhe said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:40
Dan Riehl is making sense. I never thought I would write such a sentence.
Yeah, but relax. I’m sure he has an ulterior motive.
Robt Ludlum's The Szslakian Szyzygy said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:45
Marty Whelan? Is that the same Marty Whelan who shit his pants that summer at Camp Wauganauga? That schmuck now calls himself Ed. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
PeeJ said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:47
Mang! Mr. Ed dishes up some ridiculous sophistry and makes the centerpiece of it that pseudonymity is self-serving. Pretty much the same territory as “who’s the hitman now”.
Mr. Ed is a one trick pony, and that trick ceased being amusing long ago. Here’s hoping this shit spreads all over the toobz.
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:49
BTW, I am Anonymous at 18:38.
Every day?
El Cid said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:50
To be more precise, Ed Whelan stands on principle against the anonymity of bloggers who make him mad.
tigrismus said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:52
criticisms ring less hollow coming from people who have not devoted their lives to cheapening online conduct
Says the dijon blogger.
Snorghagen said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:52
In every way.
Ed Whelan said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:52
BTW, I am Anonymous at 18:38.
I have it on good authority that “snorghagen” is actually someone named “Anonymous.” I’ll include his full name, address and phone number shortly in a post that merely mentions that if anyone with violent tendencies were to rough him up or even harass him that is not my intent in posting the information.
Also, liberals hate me.
Mr. Wonderful said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:56
And, to be too precise, Jacobson says Tbogg objects to publius’s being subjected to “ridicule,” after HE spends so much time ridiculing others blah BLAH.
I tried, and failed, to comment on J’s site, that Tbogg (like the rest of us) eats ridicule for breakfast and doesn’t mind taking it or dishing it out. It’s the invasion of privacy that Tbogg objected to, as do I.
And as for J’s pious horror at Tbogg’s suggestion that NYers take holiday snaps of GOP delegates with ladies-not-their-wives, I wondered aloud at how the ‘tards reacted when the gov’t. was paralyzed while Bill Clinton was being impeached–im-fucking-peached–over a blow job.
g said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:58
It is wonderful to read such gravitas-laden concern about appropriate political discourse from the man who took issue at President Obama’s choice of condiment.
Joe Max said,
June 7, 2009 at 19:58
Yeah, like the overwhelmingly liberal Boalt School of Law at UC Berkeley and it’s commie-pinko tenured professor, John Woo.
g said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:02
It’s the invasion of privacy that Tbogg objected to, as do I.
I would have to go back and read the whole string to be sure, and I’m too lazy to – but IIRC publius told Whelan he wanted to remain anonymous for professional and personal reasons BEFORE Whelan outed him. His reasons included allowing his law classes to be untainted by the politics of his blog, to avoid making conservative students feel uncomfortable. And Whelan outed him anyway.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:03
I just assume every wingnut is a hypocritical douchebag. Saves time.
Some day I might be wrong and then I will apologize. Alas, that day has not yet arrived.
El Cid said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:04
Well, fuck conservative students. Let ‘em be ‘uncomfortable’ because their professor thinks their movement is a bunch of cowardly, immoral shit.
Scott said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:04
On the other hand, a liberal making a joke about outing Republicans who have mistresses is simply appalling.
Did Bill Jacobson just admit to cheating on his wife?
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:05
g, I read the whole thread and you are correct.
PeeJ said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:05
Some day I might be wrong and then I will apologize
NO! Don’t apologize, rationalize. It makes them all the more angry when you do the same thing they do.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:18
The irony of the publious thread is that the few people who are defending Whelan all posted under a pseudonym.
El Cid, you are aware aren’t you that when you disagree with a conservative, you violate their First Amendment rights and are ergo a liberal fascist QED.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:18
Ed Morrisey, Rick Moran and James Joyner have slammed Whelan for what he did. At HotAir there is a poll asking “When is it OK to ‘out’ an anonymous blogger?”
70% have voted either “never” or “when they commit a crime, slander/libel, or out someone else”.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/07/poll-when-is-it-ok-to-out-anonymous-bloggers/
Plus, the comments are heavily critical of Whelan as well.
But you just ignore all that and quote one of the few conservatives who thought the outing was no big deal, someone who is clearly the exception.
You see, unlike proggers, our side does a good job of policing our own when they step out of line. That’s why blogs like Misha’s Rotts don’t get linky love anymore and are basically marginalized.
So thanks for the offer of help, but I think we have a handle on things.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:19
Don’t want to stoop to their level Pee J.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:23
Zombie Rotten McDonald’s real middle name isn’t “Rotten”.
PeeJ said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:25
So thanks for the offer of help, but I think we have things on our handles
on things.Fluxed.
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:26
I did it once and found they’re impossible to potty train.
Boy do I know about that! Happened to me with Troofy. Little fucker shit all over everything. Had to take him to the ASPCA. This one looks like it has even less sphincter control.
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:29
Oops. My last was in the wrong thread. Stupid ‘puter bounced me out (hit the wrong key somewhere) and I jumped back into the wrong thread.
Snorghagen said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:30
Tell us all about it after Whelan loses his gigs at NRO and EPPC.
Pere Ubu said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:30
You see, unlike proggers, our side does a good job of policing our own when they step out of line.
“step out of line” being evidently defined as “something so absolutely fucking outrageous that even WE can’t make excuses for it”. Note further that this principle does not apply to outrageous political statements; those will still be treadted with the utmost dignity no matter how whacked-out they are.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:30
Fair enough “the day has arrived”, on this particular issue Ed Morrisey, Rick Moran and James Joyner are correct and kudos to them. That does not mean they are all not hypocritical douchebags on many other issues. I assume that you, I and they all share the same degree of outrage against pedophiles. Also, with respect to the production of the Volkswagon Beatle, Hitler was spot on.
[That last point is called a reverse double Godwin for those scoring at home]
St. Jesus of Max said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:31
Yeah, we totally gave Larry Johnson, Riverdaughter and Lynn Forester De Rothschild a free pass, not daring to utter a single word of criticism against them for being utter douchebags.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:32
“Tell us all about it after Whelan loses his gigs at NRO and EPPC.”
One or both of those may very well happen. And if it does….oh well, guess that’ll learn him about outing folks for stupid reasons, won’t it?
good for you said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:33
So, what, would you also want credit for condemning the torture and murder of children? Except, oh wait, mainstream conservatives generally support that too.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:35
“step out of line” being evidently defined as “something so absolutely fucking outrageous that even WE can’t make excuses for it”
Yes, and props to DA for calling out Playboy for that hideous article they eventually pulled.
The Sainted Mr. Wonderful said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:35
“You see, unlike proggers, our side does a good job of policing our own when they step out of line”
==wins Teh Toobz for Most Unself-Aware and, Therefore, Inadvertently Hilarious Post of Teh Day.
g said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:36
You see, unlike proggers, our side does a good job of policing our own when they step out of line.
“our side”, “Our own”, “out of line.”
So you admit you’re all just parroting the RNC faxes?
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:37
Shorter good for you :
“Come, taste of my delicious off-topic strawman.”
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:40
When they argue dishonestly and use ad hominems 15% (139 votes)
I see the Sadlynauts are gaming the poll. That number has risen quickly since I provided the link. You are casting votes for the worst of the outing reasons to raise the percentage.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:42
What? No response yet? Caught ya, didn’t I? LOL
Pere Ubu said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:42
OKay, any votes on how soon The New Troll reveals itself to be Twoofie, the Fool, or both?
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:44
*after thoroughly gaming the poll*
Sadlynauts: “See? SEE? 30% of wingers think ad hominems are a reason to out someone!! N00bZ!!”
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:45
Bosh. The HotAir crowd isn’t taking a moral stance here, just protecting their own. If AllahPundit gets outed, he may never get another book deal. I hear PJs isn’t paying enough to support that lifestyle… Funny, that, also.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:45
*after gaming the poll some more*
Sadlynauts: “SEE? Now it’s 52%!! HYPOCRITES!!!111″
El Cid said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:47
Badgers are spreading today.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:47
“I hear PJs isn’t paying enough to support that lifestyle… Funny, that, also.”
Does that mean “wingnut welfare” was just a progger construct?
Scott said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:47
How many of those stalwart condemnatory Repubs still link to Malkin?
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:48
good for you said, June 7, 2009 at 20:33
“So, what, would you also want credit for condemning the torture and murder of children? Except, oh wait, mainstream conservatives generally support that too.”
Good point ‘good for you”, perhaps I was was to hasty in assuming on that pedophilia issue. We shall await the photos and/or videotape to know for sure.
the day has arrived said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:49
Oh, youse guyz r hi-larious. I think Aloysius teh Sadlynaut Clown will make an appearance soon.
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:49
Well, the PJ brand of wingnut welfare dried up. So, no, and you’re silly.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:51
Spying on a disabled 12-year old isn’t out of line, Scott.
Winged monkeys need stuff to do, and M.Malkin is merely keeping them out of trouble.
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:51
The Frost family’s kitchen counters.
Q.E.D.
tigrismus said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:51
You see, unlike proggers, our side does a good job of policing our own when they step out of line.
“No linky love” and yet you link Malkin’s site in your own post. She, Goldstein, Free Republic, Patrick Bell of the Discovery Institute, Patterico, all these assholes outed people and/or published private, personal information, and yet they continue to blog and get tons of links from “your side.” Jesus, Bill O’Reilly has turned stalking into a fucking cottage industry, and yet there he is on the TV every day, making millions off of chumps just like you. In other words, “your side” doesn’t do jack shit.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:52
The photos Obama won’t release and the video that Seymour Hersch says exits to be clear.
ahem said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:56
Since EPPC is Whelan ($200k/year), three other wingnut welfare directors, five wingnut welfare “scholars” (Stanley Kurtz, Rick Santorum et al.) and a tiny office suite here, I don’t think the latter is going to happen.
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:58
OKay, any votes on how soon The New Troll reveals itself to be Twoofie, the Fool, or both?
Already happened. Same assinine, smirking twaddle.
a concerned citizen said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:59
Sure you don’t mean J/K LOLpez?
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 20:59
“your side” doesn’t do jack shit
Actually, they do lots of shit (really stinky, rank shit), but it is all bad.
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:03
Since EPPC is Whelan ($200k/year), three other wingnut welfare directors, five wingnut welfare “scholars” (Stanley Kurtz, Rick Santorum et al.) and a tiny office suite here, I don’t think the latter is going to happen.
Guess that wingnut welfare wasn’t actually a figment of the progressive imagination (sort of like the millions Scaife and other far right billionaire loons funnel into these vanity press “think” (sic) tanks).
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:16
good for you said, June 7, 2009 at 20:33
“So, what, would you also want credit for condemning the torture and murder of children? Except, oh wait, mainstream conservatives generally support that too.”
I think that the official wingnut position is that it never happened, the photos aren’t all that bad, but if released will so inflame the middle east that there will be “American blood in the streets.” AKA hypocritical douchebaggery!
If or when said photos are released and if mine and others suspicions as to their content is true, any bets as to whether wingnuts will be more outraged about their release than the rape of child or adult detainees?
N.C. said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:17
*after thoroughly gaming the poll*
Are you bitching that Sadly, No! hasn’t done something bad, but if they did do it, that would be bad and it’d be central to your point?
DrDick said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:38
re you bitching that Sadly, No! hasn’t done something bad, but if they did do it, that would be bad and it’d be central to your point?
To be fair, it is a conservative, so by definition has no fucking idea what it is talking about. If it had a point, it would tell you.
gocart mozart said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:41
I think Elvis not Presley said it best when he sang, “I used to be disgusted, now I’m just amused.”
8th wonder said,
June 7, 2009 at 21:52
Once again this blog finds me sadly wanting in powers of reasoning. Who can figure this out? Or more to the point, who cares?
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 7, 2009 at 22:36
You’re in luck.
This blog will sort it all out for you.
tigrismus said,
June 7, 2009 at 22:48
Not 3B! It’s the Ombudsgeddon over there!
Your friendly Troll-B-Gon™ technician said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:00
[/liberal (heh) sprinkling of TrollBane™© ]
M. Bouffant said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:26
Volkswagen Beatle
Ah, that’s what was behind the Kraut language version of “I Want To Hold Your Gland.” Been wondering about that for 40 yrs. now.
SadlyTroll said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:34
I seem even stupider & foolish than usual today. Maybe I was up late drinking German beer & lamenting the 65th anniversary of the beginning of the end of the 1,000-year Reich, which really only lasted 12 years. Sniff. Sob. Urrrrp!!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:42
Ombudsgeddon better all the time…
M. Bouffant said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:54
Here’s how they see it:
What the hell? “Attacks?” (I could show these people attacks. I’d like to show these people what an attack is. And just who is the “victim” here, & who seems to be claiming “victimhood?) You either reply to the “attacks,” if they are reasoned or whatever, w/ more of that difficult-for-them reasoning, or you ignore them if they’re personal.
Typing that someone is a right-wing judicial nomination attack dog, backed w/ those ever so pesky (& always “out-of-context”) quotes & citations, is hardly an attack.
M. Bouffant said,
June 7, 2009 at 23:56
“Wake up America,” indeed!!!
zombie rotten mcdonald said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:07
Ombudsgeddon out of there….
N.C. said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:15
I find that ombudsgeddon a headache whenever I try to read 3Bulls.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:30
I think you make a mistake when you try to read 3Bulls!
3Bulls! is best applied directly to one’s forehead before going to sleep.
gbear said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:33
Umm… yea… that worked out so well for Dr Tiller.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:43
It should’ve been posted here, but was at
Political Animal instead:
Dennis-SGMM said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:49
Also, with respect to the production of the Volkswagon Beatle, Hitler was spot on.
Was “Volkswagen” the one who played drums for them before Pete Best?
Dennis-SGMM said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:51
Hitler? “Komm gib mir deine Hand” also.
Liberty, not Liberalism said,
June 8, 2009 at 0:59
Is Bawney Fwank about to do the same thing to GM that he did to Fannie and Freddie?
Boycott Government Motors. Boycott CRISISler. Buy Toyota Honda, and Nissan.
William F. Buckley, Jr. said,
June 8, 2009 at 1:02
Good show, chap, good show. Pity you didn’t mention how suspiciously, er, semitic “Blevins” sounds, but, times being what they are, good show all the same.
N.C. said,
June 8, 2009 at 1:11
Liberty, not Liberalism said,
I think you forgot Ford, you un-American pigdog!
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 1:39
Lib-lib, next time you’re running your car in your drive-way for Earth Day, just keep your lips firmly locked on the exhaust.
I know I wouldn’t want to buy a car made by an American co. that I, allegedly, own a fraction of. Give the money to the folks that brought you Pearl Harbor!!
Economic recovery!!! (Unless it points out the ills of capitalism, of course.)
laym said,
June 8, 2009 at 1:40
Buy Toyota Honda, and Nissan.
Annoying wanna-be provocateur troll is annoying.
El Cid said,
June 8, 2009 at 1:53
Meanwhile, the assassin of Dr. Tiller, Scott Roeder, vows from his jail cell to the AP that more domestic terrorism is planned. Also, he is very angry at how cold it is in jail.
I think this guy thinks he’s supposed to be treated like a hero in this life, as opposed to just being rewarded by his crazy desert demon monkey god in the next.
If he’s doing anything more than bullshitting, then I sure hope many organizations involved in anti-abortion fanaticism forget that they are being wiretapped right now.
Manuel Transmición said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:02
You know, if he *knows* that there are more acts of terrorism being planned, it’s only fair to waterboard him until he reveals what else he knows.
Just sayin’.
Scott said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:11
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. He would not elaborate.
That scribbling sound is a number of judges signing off on secret and 100% legal warrants to listen in on the phone calls of every anti-abortion activist in the country.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:12
Hey libs I see your standards are available in DOUBLE extra-large. You want terror suspects treated like they’re limousine liberals spending a night at the Beverly Hills Hotel but you want an actual American to be tortured in his jail cell by being kept in such barbaric conditions he develops pneumonia and being denied phone rights. You can’t have it both ways. We can’t treat terror suspects like royalty and Americans alleged to have committed a crime treated like they’re in a concentration camp. Welcome to the real world. Deal with it.
J— said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:14
He said he called AP because he wanted to emphasize the conditions in the jail so that in the future suspects would not have to endure the same conditions.
That’s pretty weak, Roeder. Get back to us when they’ve moved up to walling and the stinging insects in a box.
The silence has finally been broken at the Corner, by the way. Jonathan Adler discovers that when you mix hot water with cold water, you get lukewarm water. In other words, today he like so many other brave wingnut souls determined and courageously proclaimed that Whelan did a shitty thing.
Still no word from Chief Online Editor Lopez though.
Pere Ubu said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:18
Roeder said it was freezing in his cell. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
Mah heart is bleedz.
And Fool? Point is, the folks in Guantanamo haven’t done anything while Mr. Roeder, y’know, committed premeditated homicide. If the distinction excapes you, well, dunno what I can say except thank god you don’t live next door to me.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:21
P.U. Roeder allegedly committed a crime. And he’s an American with the full rights and benefits of American citizenship. Or do concepts like “mitigating circumstances” or “guilty until proven innocent” only count when the suspect is sympathetic (read: a minority or a Kennedy)? You consider terror suspects morally superior to American citizens and more deserving of rights? Only a few months into the new regime and it’s come to this. Shine on, Boyking, shine on.
Pere Ubu said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:28
“Alleged”?
I seem to recall he’s pretty proud of the fact that he killed another human being. And no, terrorism suspects (which the people at Guantanamo are not sould not have more rights, but the same rights. Which distnction ALSO escapes your steel-trap mind, evidently.
Major Kong said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:35
Maybe they could transfer him to the Maricopa County Jail, since conservatives seem to think that’s the very pinnacle of law enforcement. He can enjoy Sheriff Joe’s fine accomodations.
Looch said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:40
Roeder awaits his fate at the hands of the judicial system. He has been charged with a crime. A speedy trial looms. Such priviledges have been offered few if any of those held in Gitmo. Many, if not most, in Gitmo have been held without charges. They haven’t even met the threshold of “alleged.” Habeus corpus. It means something.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:41
I’m sure that like any decent American, Sheriff Joe would treat Roeder with the utmost of civility and deference, especially since he will remain, unless he is eventually convicted of anything, an alleged perpetrator of what might be a technical crime with overwhelming mitigating circumstances.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:43
You’re saying that the Arabs being held for reasons of national security deserve better treatment than an American charged with committing a crime of conscience? It must take years of therapy and powerful drugs to arrive at the Official Liberal Position. Shine on, liberals. Shine on, Boy King.
DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:45
mm… yea… that worked out so well for Dr Tiller.
It worked exactly the way they wanted it to.
Pere Ubu said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:45
an alleged perpetrator of what might be a technical crime with overwhelming mitigating circumstances
*snort*
Wingut satire fail.
Smut Clyde said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:48
Scott Roeder called The Associated Press [...] he wanted the public to know he has been denied phone privileges…
Heh.
DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:49
Which distnction ALSO escapes your steel-trap mind, evidently
Most things in the real world routinely elude that sieve that he calls a mind.
DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 2:50
I’m sure that like any decent American, Sheriff Joe would treat Roeder with the utmost of civility and deference
Well since he isn’t brown, you may actually be right about that. (Stopped clocks and all that…).
Till said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:01
It’s already been established that Operation Rescue at least provided information about Tiller and his church. I would hope the FBI is taking them at least as seriously as entirely pacifist Bush-protesting groups which they actively infiltrated.
Though I’m inclined to think that even Randall Terry and co are essentially cowards who will let others do their dirty work without providing direct, illegal support. But you never know.
DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:09
Till -
Dr. Tiller’s family should sue them for incitement to violence. Worked against the Aryan Nations and totally bankrupted them.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:14
By the time the incompetent one-track buffoons at the FBI & the other alphabet agencies “charged w/ keeping us safe” can re-aim their fucking bureaucracies at those committing “a crime of conscience, or what might be a technical crime with overwhelming mitigating circumstances,” the entire Ob-Gyn sector of the medical industry will be a bombed-out, smoking wreck.
At which time crazed Islamo-fundamentalists will be able to do more awful stuff, like ruin the booze industry. (Are they in favor of hashish for the “dhimmis?”)
If we’re trusting these fucks to do anything, or believe that some judge somewhere is signing warrants that will make any difference, we’re living in the paradise of a you know what.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:26
Dr Dick– So you’re in favor of frivolous lawsuits for punitive purposes? The sooner we get tort reform in this country the sooner libs like you will have one less weapon to try to punish people who have a political and moral conscience. No one is officially saying that what Roeder did was right, but under the circumstances it’s best to wait and see what kind of mitigating circumstances might have put him in the position he was in, rather than just going the typical lib route and seeing “blood in the water”.
laym said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:27
Annoying wanna-be provocateur troll is still annoying.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:27
DrDick, wasn’t there a much clearer incitement in the Aryan Nations thing? Like direct orders from the head “Aryan?”
I just suspect that Operation Rescue isn’t so foolish as not to keep at least a legal arm’s length from their fans.
Granted that they are nuts, & if they thought he’d really do it, they might have done something to assist or incite, but it’s not as if sometime w/ time on his hands & an obsession couldn’t have followed Dr. Tiller & found out all he needed to know to kill him in his church. I really doubt if there will be any revelations of clandestine coffee-shop meetings & calls from pay ‘phones & the like.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:28
Boring troll is angry.
Angry troll is boring.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:30
Liberal hivemind still goes bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:31
Troll has become completely unglued.
Oops, should have been watching basketball. Please don’t revoke my American licence.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:34
I’m not a big fan of the run and gun “gangbang” mentality of the modern NBA. I miss the days when basketball was a purer form of artistry. Plus it’s hard to cheer for a rapist like Kobe Bryant. That’s the same reason I find it hard to cheer for the Kennedy clan.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:38
No one is officially saying that what Roeder did was right, but under the circumstances it’s best to wait and see what kind of mitigating circumstances might have put him in the position he was in, rather than just going the typical lib route and seeing “blood in the water”.
See? Total projection. Usually the “lib’s” are looking for excuses (in a fool’s paradise, that is, not in reality) for crime, & (in that same reality that humans live in) the right sees blood in the water & reacts hysterically, w/ invasions, executions, life sentences, civil suits & so on.
Lakers leading.
El Cid said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:40
Badgers is all dancy again.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:40
Let me make that clearer for you:
I’m not a big fan of
the run and gun “gangbang”mentality.DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:44
M. Bouffant -
Not sure how direct the incitement was with the Aryan Nations, though it was not enough to file criminal charges. Funny how “frivolous” lawsuits result in multimillion dollar judgments against the defendant. Doesn’t sound terribly frivolous to me. On the contrary, quite serious and successful. Also funny how the rightards have no difficulty justifying terrorist murderers when they are on e of their own.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:44
I just remember a time when the NBA was less like watching the Crips vs the Bloods sans the cool guns.
Major Kong said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:49
I don’t watch basketball.
The score’s usually something like 102 to 100 because sometime, 30 minutes ago when you got up to use the bathroom, somebody missed a shot.
aw said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:50
How provocative!
tigrismus said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:52
He said he called AP because he wanted to emphasize the conditions in the jail so that in the future suspects would not have to endure the same conditions.
Hey, if I squint a little while I’m reading that it kind of looks like he’s counseling suicide attacks! Ship his pasty ass to Syria!
Major Kong said,
June 8, 2009 at 3:56
He said he called AP because he wanted to emphasize the conditions in the jail so that in the future suspects would not have to endure the same conditions.
But how can this be? Aren’t conservatives always telling us that our prisoners are coddled in resort-like conditions?
Why they’ve got cable TV in there!
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:06
Well, I’m trying to enjoy my big new non-tube. (“The tube” to go the way of “dial?”)
And I knew better than to tune in until half-way through the third quarter. That means only an hour to go.
Also, hoping for riots here in L. A. if the Lakers win. (Neighbors were very excited about World Cup qualifying yesterday, Shouts from all sides when goals were scored, etc. Good sign.) Need to get my loot on.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:09
I love watching the libs throw out everything they believe about coddling prisoners and finding excuses for their actions when the prisoner happens to have a conscience that diverges radically from their own. Dig that hivemind hypocritical honey. The sweetest.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:12
My hot stripper wife has told me that the dozens of CIA agents she knows say that I’m an idiot.
Major Kong said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:12
I hope Scott Roeder gets to enjoy being coddled in one of our fine resort-like facilities for a very, very long time.
The Fool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:15
As you might expect from a troll, I am too shit-stupid to see the difference between complaining about having a cold cell in a United States prison and and being tortured without charges or solid proof I have done anything wrong in an offshore hellhole. Part of being a wingnut douchebag is that some things are only an outrage if white people are on the receiving end.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:15
Roeder sounds like a disturbed but committed man who probably needs some kind of psychiatric counseling and rehabilitation before being released. That or just put on a furlough program. That’s the way the libs like to do it right?
The Fool in 1969 said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:18
Hey, how come you libs complain when the cops beat up niggers but when that super-awesome patriot James Earl Ray ended up in prison for killing one of them commie monkeys none of you stupid libs rushed to his defense?
Major Kong said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:20
Roeder sounds like a disturbed but committed man who probably needs some kind of psychiatric counseling and rehabilitation before being released.
Well, yeah. I mean all he did was gun down somebody in cold blood.
It’s not like he did something truly heinous like getting caught with a small quantity of an illegal drug.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:26
I’m not saying this to anyone in particular, and certainly not to any trolls who may be about, but I find a certain Fool’s inability to process sarcasm rather amusing.
Wish I could say more, but my basketball knowledge is sadly limited.
El Cid said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:29
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TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:32
What did WIllie Horton do again? And you libs let him out. Good decision making. But I guess crimes are only crimes when you disagree with the politics of the accused.
Lee Atwater in Hell said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:34
HAHAHAHA! Someone is pretending they still care about Willie Horton a minute after Election Day? Holy shit, that’s so funny I almost don’t notice John Gotti assraping me!
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:35
Fool me once…shame on, shame on you. Fool me, and you can’t get fooled again.
-Pres. George W. Bush
laym said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:35
There are times when I think, what would lead a person to make arguments that aren’t actually believed and are not arrived at honestly, but are only made for the sake of making the argument and provoking a negative reaction? I’m generally very curious about human nature, and as such, I am curious about this behavior.
But more often I just think, what an asshole.
The Kid from Kounty Meath said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:36
As a lib, I wish to make clear that I had very little involvement in the decision to “let Horton out”. I’m sorry, Troofus, but we’re a bunch of individual people, not units that combine to form Dukakistron.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:39
OT: OT.
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:43
I’m generally very curious about human nature, and as such, I am curious about this behavior.
This may be related to something Daniel Quinn calls “erratic retaliation.” Not that he’s an accepted scholar on human behavior, but he’s something of a thinker on the subject of humans in their natural state.
People naturally pick fights to establish and maintain boundaries. Where the Common InterWeb Troll is always steadfastly pursuing Teh Lulz, the N. American Wingnut Troll, is pushing up against liberal media hegemony, but really just getting pissed off in the process. Sort of a reverse anti-matter LuLz-fest.
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:44
OT is the new OT, also.
DrDick said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:45
Roeder sounds like a disturbed but committed man who probably needs some kind of psychiatric counseling and rehabilitation before being released. That or just put on a furlough program.
Just like those poor deprived jihadis in Gitmo, Abu Graib, Bagram, and wherever else we have them stashed. I could actually live with the Gitmo inmates actually charged with some crime in US courts sitting in a slightly chilly US prison facing trial by those same US courts with attorneys and the rest.
N__B said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:45
badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom badger badger badger
Damned fine recipe.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:47
Turkoglu is going to be the difference in this series. A man among boys out there.
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:50
Wingnut movie idea:
Iraq War 2: Robbin’ from the Cradle of Civilization
Get the Blart boyz on it, statim!
The Kid from Kounty Meath said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:51
@ Sir Windblown Dentist: Does anyone else remember that fake poster MAD did for “Gulf Wars, Episode II: Clone of the Attack”?
Sir Windblown Dentist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:55
I just looked it up, and it seems familiar. Had to wait till Episode III to see Saddam hanged, though.
Darth Hussein said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:56
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:58
Had to wait till Episode III to see Saddam hanged, though.
Did Dumbya take Saddam’s pistol with him when he left office as some kind of sick wank-fodder trophy?
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 4:58
Doesn’t ring any bells.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:01
What a surprise. Kobe gets the advantage of every call, on the court and from the legal system. I still think Reddick and Turk will be too much for them in a 7 game series though.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:01
Losing a bet sucks, but it takes a real pussy to let it shape their ideology like I did.
jim said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:19
Whoa … Mr. Legal Non-Erection is getting pooched in the comments over there – & not just by libs either. Since wingnuts usually defend their own, I’d say Whelan needs to get a helmet.
A troll trying in vain to conflate someone caught red-handed killing a defenceless man in his church with some poor goatherding bastard who was turned in for quick money &/or revenge who’s being held in a prison-camp on zero evidence, oh golly, how devastating … yawn … get back to us when you have a real point to make.
J— said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:30
After a day of reading blog posts and contemplating them, Ramesh Ponnuru comes up with this:
Nailed it! But where is Chief Editor Lopez?
laym said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:38
I’ve looked at a bunch of the sites that have posted on the Blevins affair, and their anonymous commenters are running heavily against Ed for some reason.
It’s just shocking that conservatives want to be able to dictate someone else’s behavior – even something as uninteresting as the name under which one blogs. I am just shocked. And by “shocked,” I mean, not in any way surprised.
willf said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:40
I’ve looked at a bunch of the sites that have posted on the Blevins affair, and their anonymous commenters are running heavily against Ed for some reason.
Hah, like this commenter at Anonymous Liberal Blog?
Anonymous said…
I see no good reason to blog anonymously. If you don’t have the courage to claim your convictions, then you’re little more than a shrill voice in the wind.
11:19 AM
I’d say it was a joke, but I’ve seen worse from commenters named “anon” and “ohn Hancock” so, hey… “yadda yadda central to my point.
J— said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:41
For contrast, here’s what a grown-up post looks like.
willf said,
June 8, 2009 at 5:41
That would be John Hancock”.
Another blogger on a completely different blog regrets.
The Sainted Mr. Wonderful said,
June 8, 2009 at 6:07
“The sooner we get tort reform in this country the sooner libs like you will have one less weapon to try to punish people who have a political and moral conscience”
Oh, I get it. This is The “Conservative” Bitch-o-Matic. You just fill in the blanks. E.g.–
“The sooner we get PERMIT FOR CONCEALED CARRY, the sooner YOU DHIMMIS will have ONE LESS WEAPON to try to TYRANNIZE REAL AMERICANS who have EXPOSED THE SOCIALIST NATURE OF LABOR UNIONS by BOLDLY EATING TRANS-FATS IN OPEN DEFIANCE OF THE FASCIST FOOD PYRAMID OPPRESSIVIST FORCES as PERPETRATED BY THE OBAMA PUTSCH-FALANGIST CADRES OF TOTALITARIAN POLITICAL-CORRECTNESS DIET-DICTATORS.”
Fun!
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 6:46
Slightly OT:
Does anyone else think it’s weird that the Cornerites make an explicit reference to the idea that conservatives “stand athwart history, shouting ‘Stop!’?”
Slightly further OT: How should I have handled that punctuation situation?
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 6:52
Well Valykr if you knew anything at all you’d know that was exactly the phrase WFB used when he founded the NR. But hey, expecting a lib to know anything they don’t see on Keith Olbermann’s Hour of Inanity is expecting far too much.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:01
Valkry, it’s all explained here.
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:01
Oh, yeah, we have to examine Roeder’s “conscience” (I do not think that word means what you think it means) to see whether we need to try him or pin a medal on him. Until then, he’s a hero until proven otherwise. Gotta love this shit!
Anybody else trying to visualize his trial? Of course the Forced Birth goons will be in the audience in force, because…well, imagine the screaming if they were excluded. You know damn well there’s no way they’ll keep quiet, and neither will Roeder. Will any judge in this day and age have what it takes to clear the courtroom and have the defendant bound and gagged, like they did with left-wing radicals 40 years ago?
Even if you can picture that happening, what if they did? Can you imagine the terrorism that would ensue? The Chicago 7 were tried bound and gagged with no audience, and the anti-war activists…well…walked around in public and yelled a little bit. When they weren’t getting tear-gassed. You think Operation Rescue is going to let it go at that?
I think this “trial” (which will probably end in a mistrial) will really open up the eyes of many who have been sitting on the fence in this debate to what kind of human filth is on the Forced Birth side, the stories of many of the people Dr. Tiller helped will come out, and the unhinged screeching of the Womb Bigots (h/t to Ann Laurie @ Balloon Juice) will alienate all but the absolute hard core of anti-human asshats that constitute the rump GOP.
Well, one can only hope, anyway, and hope the outburst of atrocities is no worse than the reign of terror and mayhem that Bill Ayres perpetrated.
St. Demon Torturing WFB in Hell said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:03
Okay, TheTool, maybe it WAS the phrase he used as he fended off attacks from Jews and crazed Negros. That doesn’t mean it’s not a REALLY STUPID SLOGAN.
Also, Keith Olbermann hasn’t mentioned that you’re a narcissistic closet case, but I think pretty much anyone who reads your trollery knows that regardless.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:22
Thanks, ifthethunderdontgetya. It all makes sense now, insomuch as anything that bunch does makes sense.
FWIW (and I’m not sure it’s worth much), my guess as to why the powers that be tend to be harsher on left-wing extremists than right-wing ones has to do with the direction each wants to take the system. Left-wing types tend to be anti-authoritarian, sometimes wanting the government to take on more responsibility (e.g. healthcare), but not more power over individuals (e.g. abortion law). Whereas right-wing types tend to push it in the opposite direction. More power + less responsibility = easier to operate.
But I’m not a poli-sci kid, so I’m just making things up.
KLO245 said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:25
Chief Editor Lopez?
You still falling for that?
That was just a Hallowe’en Party thing.
Basically I just put on these green transparent eyeshades and nothing else.
St. Valkyr said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:28
Okay, I can’t help but ask this. I know the reply, if there is one, won’t make any sense, but I must ask.
Why would I know about the history of the NR? Really, what makes it important? Why should I care what WFB said when he founded it? The “articles” are just as stupid either way. So’s the slogan, for that matter.
Ugh. Delurking to trollbaiting in one thread. Maybe I should just go to sleep.
henry lewis said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:33
Delurking to trollbaiting
I once delurked to trollbait.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:35
Because it’s the only thing I’ve ever read, other than the Classics Illustrated comic version of “Atlas Shrugged”, “The Love Sonnets of Ted Nugent” and the back of the “300″ DVD. As a smarmy douche troll, I confuse knowledge about stupid things with intellectual superiority.
Also, just a few more tries and I’ll successfully lick my own taint.
henry lewis said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:39
I’ll successfully lick my own taint.
Make sure you post that.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:42
“The Love Sonnets of Ted Nugent”
Also, just a few more tries and I’ll successfully lick my own taint.
Oh, thanks. Now I won’t be able to sleep. And if I do I’ll have horrible nightmares.
The Guy Who Writes Dane Cook's Jokes said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:44
“Hour of Inanity”
Can I use this?
when the man comes around said,
June 8, 2009 at 7:58
Imagine the ridicule if some winger had said something similar about W.
Just imagine.
Welp, all you can do is imagine it because it never happened. You blind, conscience-seared fools are the same type that will be suckered by the man of sin, the son of perdition (read: Antichrist) when he’s finally revealed. Obama’s just getting you prepared.
when the man comes around said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:04
LULZ: some gems from the HotAir thread:
There ya go: “The god of this world”, i.e. Satan.
Perfect.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:09
Obama’s the Antichrist, the Pope’s the Antichrist, Johnny Rotten’s the Antichrist, hell, we’re all the Antichrist! My cat’s probably the Antichrist.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:38
William Buckley was one of the leading intellectuals of the 20th century. If you’re unaware of his body of work it’s just a flamboyant demonstration of your day-glo ignorance.
g said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:43
You’re saying that the Arabs being held for reasons of national security
Um, I don’t think there are many Arabs being held in Gitmo. They’re mostly Afghanis, Pakistanis, Uighers and the like. Not many Arabs.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:49
I love (sarcastically) how people who have never been charged with a crime, and who may have been turned over by their neighbours purely for money, are being “held for national security;” while a man who has been charged with murder, which was committed solely to prevent women from utilizing a legal health service, is being held in a jail cell; and the murderer is suffering a human rights catastrophe.
Also, I need to write shorter sentences.
g said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:50
Imagine the ridicule if some winger had said something similar about W.
I figure people have the right to say anything they want to in praise of Obama up until the day he struts his mighty manly package in a flight suit. At that point he will have jumped the shark.
But since George Bush set the standard that high, Obama’s still looking modest, as far as I can tell.
the ossifiedbrainosphere said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:50
Afghanis, Pakistanis, Uighers
Like we said, Ay-rabs.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:51
g:
Don’t split hairs and equivocate. You know what I meant.
g said,
June 8, 2009 at 8:56
I know what you meant. You meant something vile, hypocritical, and morally wrong.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:03
woah g i thought liberals were supposed to be non-judgmental. wasn’t that the whole point of the 60s and vatican ii?
the non-ossifiedbrainosphere said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:07
Don’t split hairs and equivocate
Here on planet Reality, equivocate does not mean point out the fallacies in a moron’s argument.
And on any planet, “split hairs” is a tired cliché.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:11
If you don’t like the phrase “split hairs” I suggest you never take a philosophy class. I’ll bet you use “begging the question” wrong, too.
delurking valkyr of science said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:12
Hey! I just figured something out!
You know how wingnuts of the Christianist variety are always saying liberals and atheists and all have no morals? I always thought it was because they thought morality came from their god.
In fact, it’s because wingnuts don’t know what “judgement” means. They just don’t understand the word. They think that being non-judgemental means, “Never making any judgements about anything, ever,” rather than “not jumping to conclusions about someone just because they belong to a certain ethnic group/social class/whatever.”
In addition, this mistake causes them to not understand why actually being non-judgemental is a good thing. Being wingnuts, they only see two options: judge everything, or judge nothing.
I’m not sure if this was sarcasm or not. But for a prime example, take a look at our Foolish friend here.
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:26
I see The Fool has stopped pretending to be a “liberal” who just happens to hate punk music. I knew he wouldn’t be able to keep that up indefinitely.
Hey, numbnuts: William F. Buckley was a mental midget who just happened to buy a thesaurus. Just because he intoned words of which neither he nor you had any idea of the meaning while sticking his tongue out like some kind of fucking retard, does not remotely make him “one of the leading intellectuals of the 20th century.”
He was, however, one of the most batshit insane sociopaths that has ever darkened our national discourse. And he’d be drummed out of the GOP now for being a “far-left liberal.”
the non-ossifiedbrainosphere said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:26
If you don’t like the phrase “split hairs” I suggest you never take a philosophy class.
As in deciding whether to adjudge each wingnut troll’s methodology and debating style against merely dismissing them as a collective idiocy?
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:31
You’re right, Battleaxe, WFB was progressive on some issues which is why the liberal jealousy toward him is so stupefying. Jealousy, partly, je suppose. And regarding punk music, who would you rather listen to, Bach or The Bad Brains? I mean, for real.
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,
June 8, 2009 at 9:58
Foolie, I yield to no one in my hatred of punk music. Yet I don’t hijack threads in blogs to rant about it unless, maybe, they had some connection with musical topics.
Liberals have no “jealousy” towards William F. Buckley. We’re simply tired of insane right-wing ideologues like him or Barry Goldwater being treated as some kind of Elder Statesman simply for the accomplishment of getting old. We all do it. It doesn’t prove you were right all along.
But then of course Goldwater, who would have ended all life on earth in a nuclear holocaust if he’d had his way, would now be considered a RINO as well.
I think your patented up-on-the-backstroke technique has sucked out what little brain you originally possessed.
TheFool said,
June 8, 2009 at 10:20
BattleAxe–Seems like you’re the one who brought punk music up this time. And don’t be jealous that liberals don’t have anyone (other than that koo-koo for cocoa puffs Chomsky) who can begin to compare to Bill Buckley or Barry Goldwater.
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge said,
June 8, 2009 at 10:43
Foolie, anybody who would consider either Buckley or Goldwater intellectual giants would shit their pants at the gems of philosophy emanating from that gummy deposit I just can’t get off my shower curtain. Weak sauce, my friend, really weak sauce.
Oh, and much as I hate Noam Chomsky for his destruction of linguistics–he stands head-and-shoulders above any “intellectuals” your side can muster. Remember your Great, Unquestionable Leader is Rash Limprod.
kiki said,
June 8, 2009 at 11:03
I call worst fake Fool ever. Not only is the embarrassingly vapid teenage fixation on punk missing, but this one is far less smug and irritating and, to be fair to the original, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more stupid than the actual Fool.
Snarla said,
June 8, 2009 at 12:20
I can’t imagine any wingnut writing anything as outlandish as this:
“It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can’t get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.”
Snarla said,
June 8, 2009 at 12:23
When Roeder gets moved to supermax he can get in on Terry Nichols’ lawsuit (along with Eric Rudolph) complaining that the food isn’t wholesome enough for their pure minds.
Tintin said,
June 8, 2009 at 12:32
I can’t believe you guys stayed up all night feeding the troll. I’m surprised the troll’s mom let him stay up that late, but even more surprised that people keep giving him snacks even though he’s not even very funny, very smart, or very entertaining.
M. Bouffant said,
June 8, 2009 at 13:18
Not all of us keep your petit bourgeois hours. I’ve been up all night not feeding it.
I’ll admit I gave it just one treat much earlier. I don’t know why anyone really bothers, there’s no argument & barely any automatic gainsaying going on. (Not that I visit for arguments.)
Everyone here knows all the answers (that’s not really the word, as there’s no actual question, in most cases) to anything it regurgitates.
Hell, I’m almost to the point of calling for a ban (no good w/ the library hopping?). And those pasted things from American Dumper really should be deleted ASAP. Hamsters don’t grow on trees.
JM said,
June 8, 2009 at 15:09
liberals don’t have anyone (other than that koo-koo for cocoa puffs Chomsky) who can begin to compare to Bill Buckley or Barry Goldwater.
The troll is gone. This one’s a parody.
actor212 said,
June 8, 2009 at 16:16
Anybody who’s blogged or even commented for anything length of time has probably been stalked a little, and possibly even outted (altho the outting may have happened on such a small scale as to not even score a blip on anyone’s radar).
It disgusts me that in a nation where a tool that should only be used to keep the truly powerful under the constant reminder that they, too, are human and subject to human frailties and behaviors, some on both the right and the left should choose to wield such a tool against their fellow citizens.
I didn’t like it when Michaelangelo Signorile did it to actors and actresses who were closeted. I did like it when he exposed politicians and government officials who held people’s lives and livelihoods in their hands.
Now, you could make the case that publius, writing for an obviously popular blog, assumes a mantle of quasi-publicity, much like Digby had before she unmasked herself.
And maybe that would be the strongest argument for outting publius. It is, however, still wrong. The default position anyone who feels the urge, whether they are on our side or theirs, to expose someone should be, don’t. Not unless they’ve taken it upon themselves to seek the publicity like Markos or John Aravosis or any number of bloggers who regularly appear on the TeeVee or radio.
Righteous Bubba said,
June 8, 2009 at 16:19
If one wants to appeal to bullshit patriotism one could note that Ed Whelan is the redcoat of the argument. The Founding Fathers did a lot of pseudonymous publishing.
tigrismus said,
June 8, 2009 at 16:58
I know this is old news to anyone other than terminal douchebag Ed Whelan, but “The Founding Fathers did a lot of pseudonymous publishing” is exactly right, including Alexander Hamilton, who wrote under the pseud “Publius” for fuck’s sake.
Emily Latella said,
June 8, 2009 at 17:15
What’s all this I hear about Omaha and antique rice? Why would they have antique rice in Omaha and why would that bring the end of the world? Anitique rice is just…. What? Obama? Antichrist? Oh, that’s very different. Never mind.
J— said,
June 8, 2009 at 17:59
The Founding Fathers did a lot of pseudonymous publishing.
Oh, Wendy Long and Matthew J. Franck have this angle covered at Bench Memos. Sort of.
stogoe said,
June 8, 2009 at 20:48
Fuck ‘em. I call scorched earth on these white holes of anti-reality nonsense.
Big Bad Bald Bastard said,
June 8, 2009 at 22:16
I’ve checked J.K. Lopez’s Twitter feed
Didn’t she write those books about the Objectivist wizard school?
Tehanu said,
June 9, 2009 at 1:26
William Buckley was one of the leading intellectuals of the
20th10th century. B.C.Fixed.