Comments on: Ha ha! They’re so nutzy! Hey wait… http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html Poise! Poise! Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:14:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jon http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-3#comment-33948 Jon Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:18:41 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33948 Archonis, 1) America's geopolitical objectives in the region involve quite a bit more than kicking Arabs and stealing oil.2) What are these Israeli geopolitical objectives that you find to be so sinister? And how is Israel playing nuclear blackmail?3) We are indeed headed for at least a major recession due to our massive debt and trade imbalance. For example, a large percentage of American home equity will disappear in the next few years. But a banana republic? Our greatest export is arms and military might (some would call it "security" (ie. the world's policeman). That counts for alot around the world.4) I find it ironic that you say "Americans learn nothing from history" and then you go on to cite the Byzantine empire as a vicitm of "Overreach." First of all I disagree that Byzantium fell due to "overreach." Broadly speaking, Byzantium fell because Christendom was disunited. It was in fact severely weakened when Western crusaders (who should have been staunch allies) sacked Constantinople in the early 13th century. <b>The end came when the Western Roman Empire failed to provide aid to Constantinople and the city was overrun by those peace loving Moslems (who just wanted land that was never their's).</b>America needs to learn a lesson from this history: A house divided against itself cannot stand.As for being hated by everyone in the world: the jihad existed long before America. Let's just hope it doesn't outlive us. Archonis,
1) America’s geopolitical objectives in the region involve quite a bit more than kicking Arabs and stealing oil.2) What are these Israeli geopolitical objectives that you find to be so sinister? And how is Israel playing nuclear blackmail?3) We are indeed headed for at least a major recession due to our massive debt and trade imbalance. For example, a large percentage of American home equity will disappear in the next few years. But a banana republic? Our greatest export is arms and military might (some would call it “security” (ie. the world’s policeman). That counts for alot around the world.4) I find it ironic that you say “Americans learn nothing from history” and then you go on to cite the Byzantine empire as a vicitm of “Overreach.” First of all I disagree that Byzantium fell due to “overreach.” Broadly speaking, Byzantium fell because Christendom was disunited. It was in fact severely weakened when Western crusaders (who should have been staunch allies) sacked Constantinople in the early 13th century. The end came when the Western Roman Empire failed to provide aid to Constantinople and the city was overrun by those peace loving Moslems (who just wanted land that was never their’s).America needs to learn a lesson from this history:
A house divided against itself cannot stand.As for being hated by everyone in the world: the jihad existed long before America. Let’s just hope it doesn’t outlive us.

]]> By: Archonis http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-3#comment-33947 Archonis Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:05:36 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33947 I suppose you are right... American Fascism and an Islamic Caliphate would be equally bad... The question is however the wisdom of kicking around the Arab world to steal their oil and fulfil Israel's geopolitical objectives. How does that benefit the average American? I would guess it does not, it just makes us more hated by everyone in the world... It is a strategy to benefit rich elites and nobody else... The world could kick our ass easily with trade sanctions, disinvestment, and currency devaluation. America is already bankrupt. Seen the deficit lately? We are well on our way to becoming a "banana republic" that will be turned over to the IMF and World Bank like Honduras... Will the USA play nuclear blackmail to get what it wants like Israel? I really doubt it. The country is run by a bunch of bourgoise limp-dicks. They are not as tough as the Jews. Americans are not as tough as Arabs either, which is what we are finding out... They are fanatics fighting for their religion and their land. What inspires Americans? Britney Spears? Puff Daddy? The military is mostly working class kids driven into the service by a lack of economic opportunity at home. Conscripts of poverty... There is a strategy here that the USA is buying into. It is called: "Overreach." Osama and all our enemies want us to get so bogged down in wars we cannot afford and the expenses of imperialism that our economy will just collapse. That with economic sabatoge described above will more than do it. China is screwing us by floating their currency on ours so when theirs devalues it stablizes by resting on the dollar and sinking it. Also there are massive unfair trade policies that favor China to our detriment. Outsourcing and unemployment and depressed wages are worsening. America is headed for a total breakdown and civil and race wars as well. Byzantean population and immigration policies combined with imperial reach becoming too costly has been the formula of ruin for millenia. Rome did this and was so spread out they got picked clean by the Vandals. The Byzantine and British Empire lost their territories, and Byzantium collapsed and the UK became a joke. Americans learn nothing from history... We will have a short-lived totalitarianism and then it will all end in chaos. I suppose you are right… American Fascism and an Islamic Caliphate would be equally bad… The question is however the wisdom of kicking around the Arab world to steal their oil and fulfil Israel’s geopolitical objectives. How does that benefit the average American? I would guess it does not, it just makes us more hated by everyone in the world… It is a strategy to benefit rich elites and nobody else… The world could kick our ass easily with trade sanctions, disinvestment, and currency devaluation. America is already bankrupt. Seen the deficit lately? We are well on our way to becoming a “banana republic” that will be turned over to the IMF and World Bank like Honduras… Will the USA play nuclear blackmail to get what it wants like Israel? I really doubt it. The country is run by a bunch of bourgoise limp-dicks. They are not as tough as the Jews. Americans are not as tough as Arabs either, which is what we are finding out… They are fanatics fighting for their religion and their land. What inspires Americans? Britney Spears? Puff Daddy? The military is mostly working class kids driven into the service by a lack of economic opportunity at home. Conscripts of poverty… There is a strategy here that the USA is buying into. It is called: “Overreach.” Osama and all our enemies want us to get so bogged down in wars we cannot afford and the expenses of imperialism that our economy will just collapse. That with economic sabatoge described above will more than do it. China is screwing us by floating their currency on ours so when theirs devalues it stablizes by resting on the dollar and sinking it. Also there are massive unfair trade policies that favor China to our detriment. Outsourcing and unemployment and depressed wages are worsening. America is headed for a total breakdown and civil and race wars as well. Byzantean population and immigration policies combined with imperial reach becoming too costly has been the formula of ruin for millenia. Rome did this and was so spread out they got picked clean by the Vandals. The Byzantine and British Empire lost their territories, and Byzantium collapsed and the UK became a joke. Americans learn nothing from history… We will have a short-lived totalitarianism and then it will all end in chaos.

]]> By: Duncan Idahos Ghola http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-3#comment-33946 Duncan Idahos Ghola Wed, 05 Oct 2005 06:27:01 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33946 I Cant agree with you Odrade. When the pentagon wants the MSM to publish a story they fall over themselves to help out. Think back to the presentations during the early days of the Iraq invasion when the senior spinmeisters of the pentagon used Hollywood producers to design their 'sets'. Think of the Jessica Lynch rescue swindle. They cant have it both ways. Either print the truth or dont. Anyway the uproar felt in Muslim countries over the photo evidence is no less fierce than the uproar felt at home in the west. I Cant agree with you Odrade. When the pentagon wants the MSM to publish a story they fall over themselves to help out. Think back to the presentations during the early days of the Iraq invasion when the senior spinmeisters of the pentagon used Hollywood producers to design their ’sets’. Think of the Jessica Lynch rescue swindle.

They cant have it both ways. Either print the truth or dont.

Anyway the uproar felt in Muslim countries over the photo evidence is no less fierce than the uproar felt at home in the west.

]]> By: Pinko Punko http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-3#comment-33945 Pinko Punko Wed, 05 Oct 2005 06:05:25 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33945 But the torture itself is benefiting the enemy, how about not compromizing our principles due to the so called self-esteem of the insurgents argument? It really doesn't hold water. But the torture itself is benefiting the enemy, how about not compromizing our principles due to the so called self-esteem of the insurgents argument? It really doesn’t hold water.

]]> By: darwi odrade http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-3#comment-33944 darwi odrade Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:59:57 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33944 Umm...i think the point LGF is trying to make is that the Pentagon attempted to suppress release of all of the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos because that will cause additional deaths. Nick Berg's orange jumpsuit was directly attributed to the initial Abu Ghraib photos. All the information about Abu Ghraib was released in print and available to the media two months before the photos surfaced. The photos were sensationalist and sold well, boosted viewership and circulation. it is all about the cash. During WWII did the press post photos and information that would benefit the enemy? The Pentagon's position is that we are are at war, and the MSM might want to exercise judgement in their slavish pursuit of sensationalism, ie, if it bleeeds, it leads. Umm…i think the point LGF is trying to make is that the Pentagon attempted to suppress release of all of the rest of the Abu Ghraib photos because that will cause additional deaths. Nick Berg’s orange jumpsuit was directly attributed to the initial Abu Ghraib photos. All the information about Abu Ghraib was released in print and available to the media two months before the photos surfaced. The photos were sensationalist and sold well, boosted viewership and circulation. it is all about the cash.

During WWII did the press post photos and information that would benefit the enemy? The Pentagon’s position is that we are are at war, and the MSM might want to exercise judgement in their slavish pursuit of sensationalism, ie, if it bleeeds, it leads.

]]> By: Jon http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33943 Jon Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:53:27 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33943 Punko, I see your point....now that the horses are out of the stable. Rumsfeld stepping down would be a good start. Punko,

I see your point….now that the horses are out of the stable. Rumsfeld stepping down would be a good start.

]]> By: Pinko Punko http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33942 Pinko Punko Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:43:39 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33942 Jon, Why not make lemonade out of lemons and send a message to the world that we are serious? Instead of sending the message that we are not serious. Discreet has no meaning. Your argument is hollow. Given the current situation (Abu Ghraib photos all over the world) a strong approach is needed. Your argument (I'm guessing): "that is why the photos shouldn't have gotten out in the first place". My argument: that is a contrary to fact statement and does not address the current situation. You claim we are at war, and it is clearly a war of ideas more so than actual territory. Notwithstanding the absolute incompetence in which all aspects of this war has been waged, and the insincere way it was begun, the best way to sell a democcracy vs. totalitarianism is by showing its transparency and the fact that citizens have rights, and the government is not all powerful, and that governemnt can be responsible and admit mistakes. Since we are broadcasting the opposite, you explain to me who is aiding the enemy more? And please don't get started on relativism. Conservatives denounce it all the time, then use the "two wrongs make a right" argument followed by the "a super bad is worse than a pretty bad, so it is OK if we do bad stuff, we have a good heart." In addition, propaganda will be used against the US no matter what, so wouldn't countering torture and the inevitable bad message it sends with a strong anti-torture message (meaning a meaningful one, not the lack of response of this admin), wouldn't that be worhtwhile? Wouldn't that possibly help? People on LGF claim, the bad people did bad stuff to put them there. How the hell do we know that? For all the people in Gitmo? We don't. Seriously, has the US Army ever ****ed up before? Sure thing, so why do we take away all the checks and balances? And why do we absolutely shit on the enlisted men and women, when these policies came from the top. You are ignoring the elephant in the room, what you admit is wrong and wish to be dealt with discreetly came from the top, how can you be discreet about that? Shall we jsut ignore it? Shall we hang our Armed Forces out to dry? How can they have confidence in the chain of command when everything they have ever been taught about what is right and what makes America America no longer holds. That America treats its prisoners like garbage. That America treats people like garbage. Have any of the people in Abu Ghraib done worse things that Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer? They had certain rights. The minimum we can afford people are the Geneva Conventions, and we couldn't even do that. Absolutely despicable. But of course, we're not allowed to claim we love our country, you guys have the copyright on that. All that happens on LGF are people role-playing some power-trip on their keyboard and trying to make themselves out to be better than everyone else, while a lot of people on the left merely say all people are people and they have certain rights. What is more American? Can I even use that term as something to be proud of anymore? Was it only an ideal? See that is what is different between me and some of these horrible people, I treat "American" as kind of an ideal, and I put standards to it, and don't allow it to mean whatever fits the bill. Serious Punko out. Capt. Trollypants says EAT IT COBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!11! Jon,

Why not make lemonade out of lemons and send a message to the world that we are serious? Instead of sending the message that we are not serious. Discreet has no meaning. Your argument is hollow. Given the current situation (Abu Ghraib photos all over the world) a strong approach is needed. Your argument (I’m guessing): “that is why the photos shouldn’t have gotten out in the first place”. My argument: that is a contrary to fact statement and does not address the current situation. You claim we are at war, and it is clearly a war of ideas more so than actual territory. Notwithstanding the absolute incompetence in which all aspects of this war has been waged, and the insincere way it was begun, the best way to sell a democcracy vs. totalitarianism is by showing its transparency and the fact that citizens have rights, and the government is not all powerful, and that governemnt can be responsible and admit mistakes. Since we are broadcasting the opposite, you explain to me who is aiding the enemy more?

And please don’t get started on relativism. Conservatives denounce it all the time, then use the “two wrongs make a right” argument followed by the “a super bad is worse than a pretty bad, so it is OK if we do bad stuff, we have a good heart.”

In addition, propaganda will be used against the US no matter what, so wouldn’t countering torture and the inevitable bad message it sends with a strong anti-torture message (meaning a meaningful one, not the lack of response of this admin), wouldn’t that be worhtwhile? Wouldn’t that possibly help?

People on LGF claim, the bad people did bad stuff to put them there. How the hell do we know that? For all the people in Gitmo? We don’t. Seriously, has the US Army ever ****ed up before? Sure thing, so why do we take away all the checks and balances? And why do we absolutely shit on the enlisted men and women, when these policies came from the top. You are ignoring the elephant in the room, what you admit is wrong and wish to be dealt with discreetly came from the top, how can you be discreet about that? Shall we jsut ignore it? Shall we hang our Armed Forces out to dry? How can they have confidence in the chain of command when everything they have ever been taught about what is right and what makes America America no longer holds. That America treats its prisoners like garbage. That America treats people like garbage. Have any of the people in Abu Ghraib done worse things that Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer? They had certain rights. The minimum we can afford people are the Geneva Conventions, and we couldn’t even do that. Absolutely despicable. But of course, we’re not allowed to claim we love our country, you guys have the copyright on that. All that happens on LGF are people role-playing some power-trip on their keyboard and trying to make themselves out to be better than everyone else, while a lot of people on the left merely say all people are people and they have certain rights. What is more American? Can I even use that term as something to be proud of anymore? Was it only an ideal? See that is what is different between me and some of these horrible people, I treat “American” as kind of an ideal, and I put standards to it, and don’t allow it to mean whatever fits the bill.

Serious Punko out.

Capt. Trollypants says EAT IT COBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!11!

]]> By: Jon http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33941 Jon Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:09:23 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33941 Archonis,You need to make up your mind. Which is it?"American imperialist and Zionist fanaticism is no less odious than the Islamic type. It is all culturally relative."or . . ."Do not think that the USA is not sliding into a kind of creeping totalitarianism that will make an Islamic Caliphate look benign in comparison." How can one be worse than the other if it's all, as you say, "culturally relative"? Archonis,You need to make up your mind. Which is it?”American imperialist and Zionist fanaticism is no less odious than the Islamic type. It is all culturally relative.”or . . .”Do not think that the USA is not sliding into a kind of creeping totalitarianism that will make an Islamic Caliphate look benign in comparison.”
How can one be worse than the other if it’s all, as you say, “culturally relative”?

]]> By: Jon http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33940 Jon Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:03:03 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33940 Pinko Punko, In war the first casualty is the truth. Once you concede that point it becomes clear that everyone on all sides during a war (or during peacetime for that matter) is using "facts" to support their point. It's called propaganda. I will say again...When such behavior (torture) comes to light during wartime the official response should be effective in stopping the torture and discreet (so as not to give aid and comfort to the enemy). Pinko Punko,
In war the first casualty is the truth. Once you concede that point it becomes clear that everyone on all sides during a war (or during peacetime for that matter) is using “facts” to support their point. It’s called propaganda. I will say again…When such behavior (torture) comes to light during wartime the official response should be effective in stopping the torture and discreet (so as not to give aid and comfort to the enemy).

]]> By: Pinko Punko http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33939 Pinko Punko Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:44:29 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33939 Jon, given the automatic anti-American sentiment in some circles of the world, why are you hanging your hat on the old "give comfort to the enemy"- they are already prepared to die for their cause, you cannot be more motivated than that. You should be arguing that not torturing, and not standing up for torture is a way to give comfort to everyone that IS on our side, all you are doing is alienating people that are on the fence. How are they supposed to tell the difference between us and the bad guys if they think we are bad, and we do nothing to prove we aren't? The insurgents are NOT 12 year old girls with self-esteem issues, we are not giving them a warm glass of milk and hugs. We send a message to the REST OF THE GODDAMNED WORLD when we have top-down policies against torture. There is no evidence to the contrary that the current administration cares about this issue, and that is EXACTLY the message the whole world is getting. So I would say the shoe is on the other foot. Who is sending worse messages of comfort to our enemies? I would say the pro-torture crowd. All the insurgents have to do is say "look, Americans want you to be tortured whether it happens or not, and they can use your words." When they try to convince people that there is a war between Islam and the rest of the world, whose words "support and comfort" them. Yours, brother, yours. Jon, given the automatic anti-American sentiment in some circles of the world, why are you hanging your hat on the old “give comfort to the enemy”- they are already prepared to die for their cause, you cannot be more motivated than that. You should be arguing that not torturing, and not standing up for torture is a way to give comfort to everyone that IS on our side, all you are doing is alienating people that are on the fence. How are they supposed to tell the difference between us and the bad guys if they think we are bad, and we do nothing to prove we aren’t? The insurgents are NOT 12 year old girls with self-esteem issues, we are not giving them a warm glass of milk and hugs. We send a message to the REST OF THE GODDAMNED WORLD when we have top-down policies against torture. There is no evidence to the contrary that the current administration cares about this issue, and that is EXACTLY the message the whole world is getting. So I would say the shoe is on the other foot. Who is sending worse messages of comfort to our enemies? I would say the pro-torture crowd. All the insurgents have to do is say “look, Americans want you to be tortured whether it happens or not, and they can use your words.” When they try to convince people that there is a war between Islam and the rest of the world, whose words “support and comfort” them. Yours, brother, yours.

]]> By: Mike http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33938 Mike Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:06:53 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33938 Not only is LGF "closed" but the shrill "lizards" viciously attack even those who are registered there if they deviate from the party line. Charles also scours even the comments sections of other blogs for anything slightly disparaging about LGF and then whines like a baby on LGF how people are saying mean things about him. What a fucking pussy he is. Not only is LGF “closed” but the shrill “lizards” viciously attack even those who are registered there if they deviate from the party line. Charles also scours even the comments sections of other blogs for anything slightly disparaging about LGF and then whines like a baby on LGF how people are saying mean things about him.

What a fucking pussy he is.

]]> By: Archonis http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33937 Archonis Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:00:44 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33937 Charles would do well to go here: http://www.forcedexistence.com Since he condones torture and violence so much, he should be forced to look at it. Here there are thousands of gore pics he can jerk-off to. Methinks he would shudder and look away... The problem is a mindset: American imperialist and Zionist fanaticism is no less odious than the Islamic type. It is all culturally relative. Israeli and American foreign policy has far more to do with inspiring hate in the Islamic world than the Islamic religion.....Pat Robertson and his fundy nutcrew have their own kind of Jihad on the USA. Thank him next time you have a relative that died who needed a cure from more stem-cell research. Check out the Dominionist movement and these X-tian nutballs that want to bring back Calvinist law to the USA and burn people at the stake. Or the Lubavitch lunatics that want to force all Gentiles to practice the Noahide laws. Do not think that the USA is not sliding into a kind of creeping totalitarianism that will make an Islamic Caliphate look benign in comparison. We are being led by legions of morons and the American "Ship of State" is a "Ship Of Fools." I am a monarchist because even the worst kings were not this bad. Charles would do well to go here:

http://www.forcedexistence.com

Since he condones torture and violence so much, he should be forced to look at it. Here there are thousands of gore pics he can jerk-off to. Methinks he would shudder and look away… The problem is a mindset: American imperialist and Zionist fanaticism is no less odious than the Islamic type. It is all culturally relative. Israeli and American foreign policy has far more to do with inspiring hate in the Islamic world than the Islamic religion…..Pat Robertson and his fundy nutcrew have their own kind of Jihad on the USA. Thank him next time you have a relative that died who needed a cure from more stem-cell research. Check out the Dominionist movement and these X-tian nutballs that want to bring back Calvinist law to the USA and burn people at the stake. Or the Lubavitch lunatics that want to force all Gentiles to practice the Noahide laws. Do not think that the USA is not sliding into a kind of creeping totalitarianism that will make an Islamic Caliphate look benign in comparison. We are being led by legions of morons and the American “Ship of State” is a “Ship Of Fools.” I am a monarchist because even the worst kings were not this bad.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33936 Anonymous Tue, 04 Oct 2005 06:18:04 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33936 Why did Lyndie England and all the other degenerates appear to be enjoying themselves so much? Because they took sadistic pleasure in seeing their enemies powerless and suffering. The same sadistic pleasure that some liberals, conservatives, christians, jews, muslims, atheists etc. would take at seeing a mortal enemy powerless and suffering. It's human nature. When such behavior comes to light during wartime the official response should be effective in stopping the torture and discreet (so as not to give aid and comfort to the enemy). I don't pay much attention to LGF but from what I read here it would seem that the LGF position is that the USA is justified by military might to do whatever it wants. On the other hand, the position on this board seems to be that when there is a Republican in the White House who employs the military option, the USA is always wrong. I think some middle ground is needed here. Why did Lyndie England and all the other degenerates appear to be enjoying themselves so much? Because they took sadistic pleasure in seeing their enemies powerless and suffering. The same sadistic pleasure that some liberals, conservatives, christians, jews, muslims, atheists etc. would take at seeing a mortal enemy powerless and suffering. It’s human nature. When such behavior comes to light during wartime the official response should be effective in stopping the torture and discreet (so as not to give aid and comfort to the enemy).
I don’t pay much attention to LGF but from what I read here it would seem that the LGF position is that the USA is justified by military might to do whatever it wants. On the other hand, the position on this board seems to be that when there is a Republican in the White House who employs the military option, the USA is always wrong.
I think some middle ground is needed here.

]]> By: Timmah420 http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33935 Timmah420 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:52:52 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33935 Until they allow free commentary on their website, I have one thing to say to LGF. Fuck off. Seriously, if you're too closeminded to accept discussion, then don't shit all over boards that do. Just go back to your steaming circle jerk and keep on rubbing each others cocks. Noones gonna do it for ya here. Until they allow free commentary on their website, I have one thing to say to LGF.
Fuck off.
Seriously, if you’re too closeminded to accept discussion, then don’t shit all over boards that do. Just go back to your steaming circle jerk and keep on rubbing each others cocks. Noones gonna do it for ya here.

]]> By: Aenegue http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33934 Aenegue Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:41:25 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33934 Just wondering. Is there 100% agreement at LGF that torture is okay, or is that overstating the case based on a few comments. Were there NO comments there condemning torture, condemning Lyndie England, calling for the prosecution of those engaged in torture or did everyone give them a pass and tacitly approve it? Just wondering. Is there 100% agreement at LGF that torture is okay, or is that overstating the case based on a few comments. Were there NO comments there condemning torture, condemning Lyndie England, calling for the prosecution of those engaged in torture or did everyone give them a pass and tacitly approve it?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33933 Anonymous Tue, 04 Oct 2005 03:30:35 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33933 Thats fine Jon. I get it. They had to do it. They were ordered or something. Or not. But why where Lyndie England and all the other degenerates <i>enjoying</i> so much? Thats fine Jon. I get it. They had to do it. They were ordered or something. Or not. But why where Lyndie England and all the other degenerates enjoying so much?

]]> By: Jon http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33932 Jon Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:20:52 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33932 Torture is bad but we are in a war. It worries me that liberals appear to be more concerned over soggy korans than they are over the welfare of our troops. I'm sure you would counter by saying liberals are so concerned for the troops they want them all to come home. That would be great if we lived in a perfect world where the only enemy was Republicans (the liberal delusion). But we don't live in a perfect world. It's just a matter of time until one of these madmen or mad governments get a hold of a nuke and use it on us. The rules change during wartime. During WWII how would our citizenry have responded to knowledge of torture of Nazis war criminals? Whatever the response was hopefully it was discreet, effective in stopping the torture and did not give aid and comfort to the enemy. Torture is bad but we are in a war. It worries me that liberals appear to be more concerned over soggy korans than they are over the welfare of our troops. I’m sure you would counter by saying liberals are so concerned for the troops they want them all to come home. That would be great if we lived in a perfect world where the only enemy was Republicans (the liberal delusion). But we don’t live in a perfect world. It’s just a matter of time until one of these madmen or mad governments get a hold of a nuke and use it on us.
The rules change during wartime. During WWII how would our citizenry have responded to knowledge of torture of Nazis war criminals? Whatever the response was hopefully it was discreet, effective in stopping the torture and did not give aid and comfort to the enemy.

]]> By: Dendragapus Obscurus http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33931 Dendragapus Obscurus Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:21:45 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33931 Archonis @ October 3, 2005 01:33 AM Lol. Awesome posts. thanks for that. Archonis @ October 3, 2005 01:33 AM

Lol. Awesome posts. thanks for that.

]]> By: Pinko Punko http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33930 Pinko Punko Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:52:51 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33930 Jon, regardless of whether you are a Dem or Rep, we're not arguing that Islamic Fundies are good, they are evil, what we are arguing against are specious arguments for torture. Why can't you guys get that through your skull. The argument that "they're bad, so we are excused to do bad things oursleves because they would do it to us"- that's the two wrongs make a right, and we're still right even when we do exactly what they do when they're wrong because we have good intentions. That's completely ridiculous and it should be obvious. That the LGFers act, talk and think like ultra-nationalists is very much akin to the heart of Fascism. Jon, regardless of whether you are a Dem or Rep, we’re not arguing that Islamic Fundies are good, they are evil, what we are arguing against are specious arguments for torture. Why can’t you guys get that through your skull. The argument that “they’re bad, so we are excused to do bad things oursleves because they would do it to us”- that’s the two wrongs make a right, and we’re still right even when we do exactly what they do when they’re wrong because we have good intentions. That’s completely ridiculous and it should be obvious. That the LGFers act, talk and think like ultra-nationalists is very much akin to the heart of Fascism.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1862.html/comment-page-2#comment-33929 Anonymous Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:24:49 +0000 http://sadlyno.com/wordpress/archives/001862.html#comment-33929 We finally agree on something. We finally agree on something.

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