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Who Moved My Jesus?
With all of the tea parties and the going Galt* and the Jon Stewart and, really, the snowballing unemployment rate, it’s astonishing that there still exists to collect paychecks a tinfoil branch of the wingnut party. Well thank Hebrews 12 for Marvin Olasky:
Some evangelicals are responding to Obamania by heading to the hills: Y2K hysteria in 1999 was a false alarm but this new administration is a four-alarm fire. Maybe, but if you’re tempted that way, read one of the Bible’s great history chapters, Hebrews 11, and then its conclusion in chapter 12: ‘Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus. . . . Consider Him who endured from sinners such hostility against Himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.’
‘Maybe.’ Serious inquiries, e.g., ‘Is Obama the Anti-Christ?’ deserve serious answers after all. One wouldn’t want to upset the righteous with a less nuanced reply. That said, if you’re inclined to grok heap bad juju emanating from the black dude, Olasky (like any good astrologist) offers some different star charts that might distract you from such thoughts momentarily.
Unfortunately, with the shit hitting the fan at its current rate, his brand of gibberish is losing its bubble-era import, much to the detriment of ‘Religulous’ DVD sales — we have other fish to teach men to fry these days. Not that this is stopping Marvin:
Is our present situation painful? Hebrews 12 continues, ‘Do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by Him. For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and chastises every son whom He receives. . . . For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.’
So shut up about losing your job, asshole, and be happy that Olasky’s goat entrails suggest a greater purpose for … no, you may not have any of these goat entrails! We don’t care how cold and hungry you moochers are … find your own, A equals A, man qua man, etc.
*Since none of the loudest ‘going Galt’ enthusiasts are actually and literally going Galt, can we devise a name for this group? Humble suggestion: Chickengalts.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:21
Fauxgalts
NobodySpecial said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:23
Amity Shlaes’ fine book, The Forgotten Man
Fail.
Daphne Chyprious said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:23
Marvin’s Gardeners
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:33
Do all the Clownhallers study at the Swanky School of Fine Jeezis Writing?
Or is it just the Jeezis makin’ ‘em stupid?
Ezzthetic said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:37
Since none of the loudest ‘going Galt’ enthusiasts are actually and literally going Galt
But if someone went Galt and there was no-one around to see them, would they really have gone?
Mister DNA said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:37
Galt Stones.
Or Dagny Taggart’s Beard, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
Percyprune said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:42
A dose of Galts?
Percyprune said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:44
Pseudogalts?
Loneoak said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:48
BlartGalts.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:49
Silly twits
jim said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:49
Fauxgalts? A Flock Of Seagalts? Galtbladders?
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:54
Appointees spending your money. Terrible. Who “appoints” congreƒs again? And then comes the “Obama Corps.” [Still waiting for my T-shirt, & the txt msg on where the white women at!! — M. B.] Young Socialist Hitler Youth Nazis being taught to “share!!” Our civilization is ended.
“In his own image?” Hey, why are all those dogs running over there?
(Is “The One” going to turn all America into dusky-hued swarths? Half-ricans?)
Loneoak said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:54
A equals A
My, what a mighty fine axiom that is. I think from this axiom I shall derive an elaborate philosophical justification for petty jealously and other-loathing, embodied by a fictional architect whose genius is misappropriated by his co-workers.
Stag Party Palin said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:55
FWIW, a “galt” is a male pig. Literally. Who knew.
FWIW, part Deux, from a 17th century manual on Best Farm Practices: “Libbers have..nothinge for the gautes, for they will geld them as fast as they can take them upp.”
Look out, Galts. The libs are after you.
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 9:57
Pre-Galts?
“Really. Next week. I’m outta here like Ayn Rand got outta Rooshia. Well, end of the month for sure.”
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:01
a 17th century manual on Best Farm Practices
Is it called “Best Farm Practices,” or are you an accountant w/ unusual tastes (for a stereotypical accountant)?
Jrod said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:02
Galtoids.
No Galt divorcees.
Control-Galt-Deleters.
Company Galt!
Galted milkshakes.
Actually Galtoids is the only good one I got…
Stag Party Palin said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:02
FWIW, part III – a “libber” in the old days was a castrator. Nowadays, the term is connected with the feminist movement. The mind boggles.
Stag Party Palin said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:09
MB, it’s really a book called, “Rural Economy in Yorkshire in 1641″
by Henry Best. And no, I’m not an accountant, just some poor schmuck with insomnia.
Jrod said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:16
The stock market shed over 40% of its value following the revelation that trillions of dollars were tied up in speculation over unpayable mortgages: Coincidence?
That’s funny, seeing as the markets close at 3pm and Obama’s speech that day was at 9pm. I guess Obama used the same dread inducing powers that he used to crash the market back in October. So what did Obama say that was so scary?
OH FUCK SELL SELL SELL
Johnny Coelacanth said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:19
“I think from this axiom I shall derive an elaborate philosophical justification for petty jealously and other-loathing”
How do you squeeze all that crap out of a simple statement from general semantics? Oh, I get it; all that crap was already in Rand’s head, and Atlas Shrugged is an “after” snapshot of the toilet.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:20
The Galtintentsitia
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:27
‘Galtintents’ on its own is good.
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:28
For all galtensive purposes.
Jrod said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:28
A is A, therefore altruism is the ultimate evil in the world.
A is A, therefore wealth accumulation correlates perfectly with societal contribution, not that there’s really such a thing as society anyway.
A is A, therefore it’s possible to design a perfect philosophy that completely ignores the existence of children, infirm, and disabled people.
A is A, therefore everything was awesome in 1890.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:29
heh, going for one joke and completely missed the other.
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:29
When I hear the phrase “Best Practices” I get nervous.
M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:32
Galtcontents. Galling Galts. Cretinous fucking morons.
The marrow is sucked from this bone.
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:34
One of the delights of parenthood is asking your child why he or she behaved so thoughtlessly or selfishly, and hearing in reply that the actions in question were Best Practice among the other children.
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:38
The marrow is sucked from this bone.
Surely that belongs in the previous thread, among all the other things
notto Say During Sex.M. Bouffant said,
March 17, 2009 at 10:48
If all your little friends decided to jump off a cliff, would you jump off too?
And I am, alas, hungry, not sexy.
Shaun said,
March 17, 2009 at 11:02
Y2K hysteria in 1999 was a false alarm but this new administration is a four-alarm fire.
Y2K may have been over-hyped by some but a fuck of a lot of money was spent by corporations to make sure it didn’t become a four-alarm fire. I know that I put in a hell of a lot of overtime.
If somehow we pull our heads out of our asses and do something to prevent environmental catastrophe, we’ll get the same response: “See? I told you there was no such thing as Global Warming. Al Gore is fat!”
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 11:21
Galteasers?
El Cid said,
March 17, 2009 at 11:47
galt.loser
anthony said,
March 17, 2009 at 11:50
General Galtieri
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 11:50
FYWP. Okay, without the Youtube then.
Galteasers.
springtime for eichmann said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:07
Atlas Tuggers
Conscientious Objectivists
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:09
Galt tripper
Galted Lily
Galt cheese
Fun Galt Infection
The Objectivist who’s swinging from Going Galt to not Going Galt can be said to be on Faux Galt’s Pendulum.
The scurrilous cad who puts on airs of Objectivism in order to get into Randian pants is making the 3 A.M. Booty Galt.
My dog has decided to scale back ever since he heard the Galt of the Wild.
celticgirl said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:15
Galterbators
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:15
Mickey Kaus likes blowing Galts.
Since they aren’t even talking about escaping to Titan HQ (a sprawling mega-complex hidden away in the desert, the base from where our Supermen launch their efforts at
saving the worlddick-fucking-all) – we could call them “half a John”.Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:18
Also Rands?
springtime for eichmann said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:21
Galt Waiting
Atlas Snivelled
javafascist said,
March 17, 2009 at 12:40
Premature eGaltulators
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:08
For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Does the Pauline Epistle provide any suggestions for biblically-condoned safe-words? I’m just asking for a friend.
“Peaceful fruit”. OK, call it that.
round guy said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:10
Nalts?
Galtdiggers?
Morons?
nobody told me there would be puns said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:15
The Figureheads
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:15
Galts’heimers.
kiki said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:23
‘…so that you may not grow weary or faintheartlanded.’
From the Epistles of Ruppert.
kiki said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:26
Galternative Comedy.
me said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:36
Galt Weaklys
Galt on paper
Galtiness
Galt of the Dearth
See Galt (not do Galt)
Galt ‘n’ Shake
Sir Galtround Tuit-Wundey
Galt lite
Galt of the subsubgenius
mingo said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:43
the Galt-eoisie
REMF galts
Galt gonnabes
galtomorphs
El Cid said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:44
Galternative job market?
me said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:46
Deciding against going Galt: Galt Feet
Mysterious condition preventing going Galt: Galtitude Sickness
Failure to implement John Galt’s full program: Galtitude Problem
El Cid said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:47
I do like “Conscientious Objectivists” as a joke, but it’s physically impossible for Objectivists to be conscientious. In fact, it’s morally wrong under their code, no?
me said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:48
“In fact, it’s morally wrong under their code, no?”
All the more reason to use it.
Caliph Garrett said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:49
Galt Copy?
El Cid said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:52
Conscienceless Objectivists?
But I repeat myself.
kiki said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:56
Perhaps if a bunch of these fuckwads fell into a giant crack in the tectonic plates, we could call it the San Andreas Galt.
After we’d gotten over our grief at such a terrible event, that is.
gocart mozart said,
March 17, 2009 at 13:57
“Also Rands!” ding! ding! Dragon-King wins.
Tell him what he won Johnny . . .
gocart mozart said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:04
My suggestion is “To blow a Galt”, but that is just me.
Michael G said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:07
Did anyone else see Frank Rich’s “The culture warriors get laid off”?
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/15-0
It’s magical and relevant!
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:09
Y2K hysteria in 1999 was a false alarm
3 seconds to google…
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A date roll-over check on a power station led to its shutdown within 20 seconds. The fault was traced to a flue stack temperature sensor that was programmed to minimize fluctuations over time, -using the date to make calculations.
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A computer clock set to 2000 at Chrysler Motors in America shut down the security system and refused to let staff out.
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A sewage treatment plant in America found that in 2000, valve-control systems would have released untreated sewage into the rivers.
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At a test of a water filtration plant, the chemical system tried to put 99 years worth of chemicals in the water. more…
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During a test in an American nuclear power station, the device that controlled the depth of the fuel rod in the core began a dangerous oscillation.
John in Bucharest said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:12
Perhaps they’re suffering from Galt-envy? A general lack of Galtifidence? Or perhaps they’re Galtnextuals?
John in Bucharest said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:15
Perhaps they’re suffering from Galt-envy? Generally lacking in Galtifidence? Or perhaps they’re really just a bunch of Galtnextuals with their Galtnextual Agenda?
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:17
I hate on Hollywood
I’ve been to RedState
I built a bunker
For a Galt who hoards
I’m out of my mind,
It’s always whine-time
I keep on searching
For a Galt who hoards
And I’m getting bored.
N__B said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:24
Owlbear –
You forgot the explosion at Moonbase Alpha, the scandal involving the LAPD selling SQUIDs, and the worst example, Y2K on NBC boring the living shit out of thousands of people at one time.
John in Bucharest said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:26
My suggestion is “To blow a Galt”, but that is just me.
Are you suggesting we use sexual favors to encourage them to go Galt? If so, I’ll pass…
Michael G said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:30
I have two principle objections to Atlas Shrugged:
1) Ever since Newton and Leibniz simultaneously invented calculus, there have been so many bright scientists and engineers that one specialist packing off doesn’t really shut down the work. Every researchers is building off of past work and communicates with colleagues. Inside five years, Galt’s Miracle Metal (TM) could be duplicated by someone else. There are just too many bright people for these sorts of temper tantrums to amount to much.
2) If the captains of industry are really both dedicated capitalists and absolutely necessary for the success of their businesses, I think the Galt pout would go down differently. If Galt left, then his indispensability would wreck his company. Contracts he used to service would be up for grabs by his competitors. Moreover, his competitors, being dedicated capitalists, would snatch those contracts up even if government taxes took all but epsilon of the new profit. Because, epsilon is more than zero, and more is all that it’s about. So, anyone following Galt can’t be a true capitalist, the real titans are waiting for him to leave so they can enrich themselves.
3) Bonus third objection: Ms. Rand is really an annoying twit.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:34
Owlbear –
You forgot the explosion at Moonbase Alpha, the scandal involving the LAPD selling SQUIDs, and the worst example, Y2K on NBC boring the living shit out of thousands of people at one time.
There was plenty of Y2K-related buggage running around, as Owlbear points out. What he leaves out is that very little of it (if indeed any at all) amounted to more than a hill of beans.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:38
There was an explosion at Moonbase Alpha?
I wonder if Jack Bauer was involved.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:39
What he leaves out is that very little of it (if indeed any at all) amounted to more than a hill of beans.
What he left out was the tens of thousands of people working many long hours to make sure it amounted ONLY to a hill of beans.
Michael G said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:42
What he left out was the tens of thousands of people working many long hours to make sure it amounted ONLY to a hill of beans.
And when Obama’s policies bring the terrible times he seems to think they will, he’ll be happy to have that hill he can eat. (Might want to invest in a wiener tree to go with it.)
Nix said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:43
False…
“discipline” is only in two sections in the King James
Preface to the King James Version of 1611 (Beginning of the second paragraph)
Yet for all that, the learned know that certain worthy men [Anacharsis with others] have been brought to untimely death for
none other fault, but for seeking to reduce their Countrymen to god order and discipline; and that in some Commonwealths
&
JOB {36:9} Then he sheweth them
their work, and their transgressions that they have exceeded.
{36:10} He openeth also their ear to discipline, and
commandeth that they return from iniquity.
http://www.uaff.us/kjvbible.pdf
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:44
And when Obama’s policies bring the terrible times he seems to think they will,
huh?
N__B said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:51
There was plenty of Y2K-related buggage running around, as Owlbear points out.
I know. I was trying for humor and, obviously, failing.
Michael G said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:55
owlbear1 said,
Just playing along with the looney. Besides, they seem really invested in this apocalypse scenario and I wanted to be sure that their fictional future had enough fictional hot dogs from my fictional hot dog tree. I hate to see them disappointed or without cheap sausage.
JCS said,
March 17, 2009 at 14:57
I thought conservatives weren’t into galternative lifestyles…
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:00
I know. I was trying for humor and, obviously, failing.
I got your jokes.
My response was to Kenobi’s statements.
I have a hard time seeing how fuel rods oscillating in and out of their cooling ponds or sewage treatment plants dumping all of their raw sewage can ever be considered ‘trivial problems.’
El Cid said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:00
Nice mention of Anacharsis, though, especially for the oft attributed quote:
It sounds really nice, but of course it’s wrong, since what we’ve seen in the past few years is that the law applies equally to the weak and poor and the rich and powerful, which is why all those bankers are sitting in cells beside casual drug users.
Legalize said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:03
The Not Ready for Galt-Time Players?
Galtless in Seattle (Northwest chapter)?
Galtilocks?
SomeNYGuy said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:05
Galternators.
Randbos.
MzNicky said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:05
Galtenfrauds
Galty Pantloads
GaltyDogs
Galtenheimers
Co-Galts
SomerGaults
Eh, I got nothin’.
N__B said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:09
I have a hard time seeing how fuel rods oscillating in and out of their cooling ponds or sewage treatment plants dumping all of their raw sewage can ever be considered ‘trivial problems.’
That’s because you’re not planning on galting and leaving the radioactive sewage for someone else to deal with.
N__B said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:09
Galt-Ctrl-Del
The Authentic Truth Before His Dishonor said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:10
Smelling Galts…. As in, “Get the smelling galts, he’s gone all objectionist on us again”
I think I hear your Mom calling you... said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:12
Galtards think that the “I’m taking my ball and going home…” strategy that didn’t work in childhood will work now.
Good. Fine. Go.
Mark said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:16
Surely the correct answer is ‘republicans’
MzNicky said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:21
Galtards is good.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:22
What he left out was the tens of thousands of people working many long hours to make sure it amounted ONLY to a hill of beans.
I am aware of all Y2K consulting traditions, as I was an IT consultant at the time. IME, most of our clients’ problems turned out to be a *lot* smaller than the clients thought they were.
I know. I was trying for humor and, obviously, failing.
Not so much, as I plead insufficient caffeination. Clearly I just didn’t catch on. :)
I have a hard time seeing how fuel rods oscillating in and out of their cooling ponds or sewage treatment plants dumping all of their raw sewage can ever be considered ‘trivial problems.’
Respectfully, can you substantiate that such events actually occurred and were *provably* caused by Y2K-related issues?
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:33
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jun/18/news/mn-47795
D. Aristophanes said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:50
The Faux Galt of the female persuasion is a ‘Paper Taggert’.
Major Woody said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:50
“discipline” is only in two sections in the King James
But the Bible does discuss bondage a lot.
Van said,
March 17, 2009 at 15:54
That is true, but it’s all over the New International Version and the New American Bible, which most resembles what is being quoted.
Of course, those versions are wrong wrong wrong, but… =)
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:06
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jun/18/news/mn-47795
Um, that clearly happened during *testing.* In *June* of 1999. I’m sure you’re not trying to be misleading, but weren’t you suggesting that the events you mentioned were the result of Y2K bugs that *didn’t* get found before 1/1/2000?
noen said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:09
Yeah, that’s the complaint of every dungeon master. Damn slaves, always topping from the bottom, don’t know what’s good for ‘em.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:26
Um, that clearly happened during *testing.* In *June* of 1999. I’m sure you’re not trying to be misleading, but weren’t you suggesting that the events you mentioned were the result of Y2K bugs that *didn’t* get found before 1/1/2000?
No, I was saying that nearly all of the problems were caught IN TESTING and if lots of people hadn’t spent lots of hours TESTING the Y2K “Hill of Beans” would have a hell of a lot worse.
I’m still digging on the that fuel rod problem and power plant shutdown.
MzNicky said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:37
GasBagGalts.
Galtbags.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:41
No, I was saying that nearly all of the problems were caught IN TESTING and if lots of people hadn’t spent lots of hours TESTING the Y2K “Hill of Beans” would have a hell of a lot worse.
There are far worse sewage spills that happen without benefit of Y2K being involved.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Honolulu_man_dies_after_fall_into_sewage-contaminated_harbor
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Sewage_spill_fouls_Waikiki_Beach
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Mar/28/ln/FP603280358.html
And isn’t IT testing *supposed* to reveal issues? Further, the news story didn’t seem to specify that a Y2K issue was determined to be the cause of the gate opening; just that it opened during Y2K testing. I imagine that you know as well as I do that unrelated issues can come up during regression testing.
Respectfully, in my experience, the problems that *were* found were generally small and easily corrected. And IIRC, the problems that didn’t get caught often took the form of “19100″ printing out on a bill or statement instead of “2000.” I recall seeing an IT survey analysis a couple of years ago at a conference that suggested that industrialized nations that didn’t experience a lot of Y2K remediation activity had statistically equal levels of Y2K failures when compared to industrialized nations that did have a lot of Y2K remediation going on. I’m not saying you’re wrong or anything, just that my experience and yours appear to be at odds.
I suppose that we shall have to politely agree to disagree.
I’m still digging on the that fuel rod problem and power plant shutdown.
I do hope you can find it. I’d be very interested in reading about that.
noen said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:46
“Honolulu_man_dies_after_fall_into_sewage-contaminated_harbor”
Did his pre-Y2K watch fail or something?
Zoogz said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:47
Late, but…
Galterrhoids
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 16:56
Is it your contention that all of the Y2K testing was a waste of time?
MzNicky said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:02
Galtblarts.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:04
Is it your contention that all of the Y2K testing was a waste of time?
No, but that much of it was.
I made a lot of money doing testing and remediation; I make no bones about it. My employers were very good at finding and securing work for us to do, but largely, we just didn’t find that many problems that had to be fixed. I didn’t do any work in heavy industry; perhaps there was more to be fixed over there. But in the financial and retail sectors, where most of my work took place at that time, there was little to fix and what little there was, was mostly cosmetic.
IMO, a lot of business executives got scared and figured they needed to do some due diligence. Consequently, a lot of IT dudes like me made fat bank off that fear.
What was your experience, Owlbear? Did you find significant issues? Or a lot more of them than I did? Did you perhaps work on remediation in a different type of industry?
Derek said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:06
Also late, but I’m partial to “Galtlets.”
Y’know, like giblets.
Jeffrey Kramer said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:15
Pajama Galts.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:15
Well, I can’t dig up anything on that fuel rod oscillation.
I’m seeing this a lot. The hardware itself would have been fine but many the systems that monitored the status of the hardware would have been fucked, which can be just as bad. Reacting to false alarms can cause a lots of problems all by itself.
==
In conclusion, it has been confirmed
that data information is not used in
control systems that directly affect the
power supply, and that there is there-
fore no danger that Y2K problems will
cause blackouts or power supply inter-
ruptions.
It has also been confirmed, how-
ever, that inspection/recording function
control systems do use date informa-
tion. As a result, the necessary soft-
ware revisions and microchip replace-
ment tasks are currently being carried
out. As of March 1999, 86% of the
necessary work had been completed.
Virtually all of the remaining work is
expected to be completed by
September 1999
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/aij/member/1999/PDF/Jun.pdf
Mr. Wonderful said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:18
Galtines. Galted Nuts.
(I like Galtoids–They’re Curiously Stupid–up-thread, better.)
D. Aristophanes said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:24
Spam-qua-Spam
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:41
It has also been confirmed, how-
ever, that inspection/recording function
control systems do use date informa-
tion.
But doesn’t that cover a lot of ground? Let’s say you’ve got an industrial boiler or furnace or something that needs to be kept at a relatively constant temperature. The inspection and recording gear probably monitors the passage of time and then either increases or decreases the heat being applied, depending on how the control software’s written. That software certainly cares very much about the passage of time, but it doesn’t necessarily care so much about what day, week, month or year it is. If the I&R gear is able to check the temp and adjust properly — let’s say a check is performed and logged every 45 seconds — what does it care whether it is doing so in 1999 or 2000?
sdrDusty said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:42
celticgirl’s “Galterbators” is good!
(also like MzNicky’s “Galtbags”)
F.Jardim said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:47
Perhaps a bit too ‘Fallout’, but…
The Galt-Dwellers.
F.Jardim said,
March 17, 2009 at 17:50
Perhaos a bit too ‘Fallout’ for mainstream, bit…
The Galt-Dwellers.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:16
,i>If the I&R gear is able to check the temp and adjust properly — let’s say a check is performed and logged every 45 seconds — what does it care whether it is doing so in 1999 or 2000?
If the software thinks it’s been 99 years since the last adjustment, alarms would be generated.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:27
If the software thinks it’s been 99 years since the last adjustment, alarms would be generated.
But that’s the crux of my question. If the software only performs actions based on the passage of time (q.v. making that check-and-adjustment every 45 seconds), then the software may have no conception of years.
Again, as I said earlier, such software may certainly care very much about the passage of time, but not necessarily so much about what day, week, month or year it is.
tigrismus said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:30
Galtless Wonders?
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:31
Much of the software on the chips used the entire timestamp to calculate the passage of time. To save on memory they used a 2 digit year. 01/01/00 was seen as 1900, fucking up the calculations.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:32
Spam-qua-Spam
One should note that pork-qua-hog are just as non-kosher as pork or quahogs.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:38
Regarding the Jesus moving, I found the following note:
Comrade Rutherford said,
March 17, 2009 at 18:47
I vote for Glatoids or Galt Stones. The names need to be short.
I call Randbot’s scurrilous ‘philosophy’, “Objectificationism”, where every single person and thing other than you yourself is merely an object to be mercilessly exploited for your personal gain. If you can make one dollar by selling your children to sex slavers, then Randian philosophy demands that you do so, or you are a Communist.
How much difference is there from Rand’s Objectificationism and Libertarianism? Both mentalities demand rage-filled hatred of everyone and everything that is not yourself.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 19:20
Much of the software on the chips used the entire timestamp to calculate the passage of time. To save on memory they used a 2 digit year. 01/01/00 was seen as 1900, fucking up the calculations.
I’m well aware of that, but I think you’re missing my question. Either that, or I’m not being clear.
If, as in the hypothetical example I gave before, the software simply controls some repetitive task that is performed at discrete intervals, then why does the software *care* what day or year it is?
My hypothetical boiler or furnace isn’t going to suddenly apply 99 years of missing heat when midnight strikes. It’s going to mislog the date and time, but it will most likely continue to measure the heat and make adjustments every 45 seconds, just like it is supposed to.
Cowalker said,
March 17, 2009 at 19:24
How about calling them the Fauxgalteers?
OriGuy said,
March 17, 2009 at 19:27
I’m with owlbear1. The financial industry didn’t see as many problems because they had been dealing with post-1999 years for a while. (Loan termination dates, etc.) The embedded systems were what had everyone worried. I think the reason that there was a lot of doubt was that no one who did the Y2K preparation was confident that everyone else had. They knew that they had done due diligence, but also knew how long it took to get management to schedule and budget the work.
I spent the night of December 30 in the office waiting for something to happen when NZ and Oz reached midnight. After Japan clicked over, we knew it was going to be ok with our systems (Tandem NonStop).
Enraged Bull Limpet said,
March 17, 2009 at 19:49
Cut the galtblather, galtbrickers.
Cowalker said,
March 17, 2009 at 20:03
We are the strident Fauxgalteers (Fauxgalteers).
Our job is spreading lies and fears (lies and fears).
Do as we say and never do–
It’s bad for us but good for you!
That’s what makes us Fauxgalteers (Fauxgalteers)!
We cheer the troops but never go (never go).
We might get hurt, you never know (never know).
Hup! Two! Three! Four! Booyah! Booyah! Booyah!
Cheers for the strident Fauxgalteers (Fauxgalteers)
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 20:47
My hypothetical boiler or furnace isn’t going to suddenly apply 99 years of missing heat when midnight strikes. It’s going to mislog the date and time, but it will most likely continue to measure the heat and make adjustments every 45 seconds, just like it is supposed to.
“Fault Detection” software has to be configured to recognize “Good” and ‘Bad’ status. The miscalculations were throwing all of that off.
The danger was that “Bad” Status alarms can trigger off a series of commands that, for example, tell the valve to dump all the water out of the cooling pond regardless of reality.
Yes, the hardware would still be working fine but control system had the potential to override and cause damage. The reports make very clear there were numerous problems along those lines.
Kenobi, you can blow-off Y2K as mostly hype.
Maybe of it was…
But that doesn’t change the fact that a lot people put in a lot of hours fixing a lot of problems.
Dragon-King Wangchuck said,
March 17, 2009 at 21:12
Didja hear about that new Y2K Jelly?
You can now fit four digits where you used to only fit two.
Thanks – I’ll be here all week. Try the mussels, the wine sauce is divine.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 21:40
“Fault Detection” software has to be configured to recognize “Good” and ‘Bad’ status. The miscalculations were throwing all of that off.
Shrug. I cited a hypothetical example; one with a pretty limited set of circumstances and outcomes. I’m not seeing a lot of danger inherent in that particular example.
The danger was that “Bad” Status alarms can trigger off a series of commands that, for example, tell the valve to dump all the water out of the cooling pond regardless of reality.
And this is why you have human beings manning the control centers at nuclear power plants and chemical production factories. Frankly, it is also a good argument for failsafe stop-gap measures being programmed into the control system; something along the lines of ‘no matter what happens, don’t dump more than 50% of the coolant on your own.’
Yes, the hardware would still be working fine but control system had the potential to override and cause damage.
Again, this is why you have human oversight of control systems.
The reports make very clear there were numerous problems along those lines.
Again, respectfully, I haven’t seen reports of *significant* problems. The life-threatening kind, I mean. I’m certainly open to seeing and reading them, but I was pretty involved in Y2K remediation and discussing the issue online (and yes, I talked with a lot of the doomsayers) up to and including 2000. And I’ve never once seen an example of any sort of potentially life-threatening failure that could conclusively be connected to a Y2K issue. I’m not saying that there aren’t any — I’m just saying that for all my involvement, I’ve never seen one. Consequently, I am dubious as to their existence.
Kenobi, you can blow-off Y2K as mostly hype. Maybe of it was . . .But that doesn’t change the fact that a lot people put in a lot of hours fixing a lot of problems.
Yes, I know. As I said, I was one of the people doing the fixing. But the amount of labor expended on a thing is not a reliable measure of its worth. I seem to recall having to explain that to my students from time to time, many moons ago.
2038 said,
March 17, 2009 at 21:47
But what about me?
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 21:55
Pardon me for not respecting your authority…
:)
LittlePig said,
March 17, 2009 at 22:11
I got the biggest kick out of “Marvin’s Gardeners” myself, followed closely by “Dagny Taggart’s Beard”, both of which would make fine band names.
LittlePig said,
March 17, 2009 at 22:15
Apophis, braking after the near miss in 2029, impacted two years before you came along – the highest tech we’ll be worried about in 2038 will be Clovis points.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 22:16
Gah, Kenobi you didn’t deserve that.
I would love to show you my “evidence” but I can’t get any of the NRC pdfs.
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 22:17
http://www.nrc.gov/site-help/where-did-it-go.html
Smut Clyde said,
March 17, 2009 at 22:29
My pre-Y2K watch is right every -876588 hours.
“Galt Detection” software has to be configured to recognize “Objective” and ‘Altruistic’ status.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 17, 2009 at 23:18
http://www.nrc.gov/site-help/where-did-it-go.html
I’m not trying to be a recalcitrant prick or anything, and I do understand that you were working on a completely different species of Y2K issue than I was. To be completely fair, the financial sector was way, way ahead of the curve, as bankers and financiers tend to be slow and conservative adopters of technology (at least, they were in the 70s-90s). Also, in my experience, they insist on testing the living shit out of anything that’s going to go into their production cycle. Contrast that with (for example) industrial engineers, who IMO are more likely to say ‘shit, that’s cool, let’s install it’ and then tinker with it for the next few years, just for fun.
I have a lot of respect for you, posting that NRC link as opposed to a bunch of doomer bullshit. It tells me that you do know whereof you speak, regardless of whether or not our opinions and experiences match up. ^^^
owlbear1 said,
March 17, 2009 at 23:41
Thanks.
And just to be clear, I don’t think civilization would have come crashing down but the costs of repairing that damage would have far out stripped what it cost to do all that testing and repair.
OB-GYN Kenobi said,
March 18, 2009 at 0:04
I don’t think civilization would have come crashing down
There was a Y2K commentator who said something along the lines of ‘a computer bug won’t destroy civilization — it takes hordes of panicked, confused people to do that.’ That line was, IMO, one of the most memorable comments to come out of the whole Y2K period.
D. Aristophanes said,
March 18, 2009 at 1:03
Man. I went to a Galturbator Stoning and a goddam Y2K War broke out.
Smut Clyde said,
March 18, 2009 at 3:57
John Galt is the new John Frum.
D. Aristophanes said,
March 18, 2009 at 8:09
I imagine you can work in ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’ here, Smut Clyde. I, for one, would welcome it.
owlbear1 said,
March 18, 2009 at 16:25
..a goddam Y2K War broke out.
Ok, how’s this?
Gitchy-Gitchy Galtees.
Smut Clyde said,
March 18, 2009 at 21:17
Don’t know about ‘Guns, Germs and Steel’, but when teh Complete History of Self-Destructive Retreats from Modernity is written, “Going Galt” will be mentioned as a footnote to the Xhosa Cattle-killing movement of 1856-1857. Also, “Going Nongqawuse”.
Kip W said,
March 22, 2009 at 5:28
Galtilockses.
(Personally fond of “Also Rands.”)
Mo's Bike Shop said,
March 25, 2009 at 21:25
Galt’s Gulp