I mean, that IS what you’re trying to say, isn’t it Troofy?

It’s most used in the northwest, and seems to have a solid track record. If you have data to the contrary, I’d like to see it.

Um, hm. Not necessarily.

Geothermal, for example, would be more abundant (you really only need two hundred feet or so of separation between the pipes, and even that can be built upon in between), sustainable and generate baseline power, albeit on a far more local level for distribution.

And frankly? I’d rather see a distributed power generating system that avoids the August 2003 regional blackouts in favor of the occasional 20 mile radius brownout as the grid shuffles the local load.

I say that as someone who supports nuclear power, I might add, as a stopgap until we can bring online as many sustainable sources as possible.

Yes, but can she summarize Proust in fifteen seconds?

Extensive desert solar, terrestrial and maritime wind farms and giant tidal stations are safer, easier to construct and maintain and pose no risk of nuclear waste or meltdown.

All of them have one of the critical problems with most sustainable power systems: very specific terrain requirements, fluctuating yields, and difficulty with high and low yields.

There needs to be a power source in every system as a baseline ensurer which will reliably produce X amount of power when Y dollars of resources are thrown into it, and out of everything we’ve got our hands on (maybe excepting geothermal power, which can be remarkably flimsy and dirty itself), nuclear fuels are the abundant and least overall expensive (including, not excluding as fossil-backed sources like to, the fairly extreme and ever-increasing externalities costs of extraction, manufacture, and production).

Both nuclear waste and utility for maintaining the US’s ridiculous nuclear stockpile are features not intrinsic to the form of power – the US is pretty much alone among industrialized countries with significant nuclear production in using systems waste-inefficient enough to make something like Yucca Mountain an issue, and that is precisely because the nuclear lobby comprises more or less exclusively military-industrial savages.

And meltdown is essentially a non-issue if plants are run and made correctly.

Again, the question is mainly not whether it’s an ideal form of power – it’s not, and it consumes a fuel available in limited if reasonably abundant supply – but in terms of generating a baseline level of power (the absence of which usually produces one or both of regular brownouts or extortionate power rates) it or something else is going to be absolutely necessary, and wouldn’t you know it – there’s a specific fuel whose lobbyists have had a field day working their filthy hands into the pants of a party terrified of its singular inability to buy Appalachia.

Nuclear power and clean coal are equally bullshit. But so is this excuse.

First and foremost, I mentioned clean coal as bullshit before I even got to the abomination of nuclear power.

Extensive desert solar, terrestrial and maritime wind farms and giant tidal stations are safer, easier to construct and maintain and pose no risk of nuclear waste or meltdown.

Nuclear power is the tool the US Air Force uses to maintain its nuclear arsenal.

And second, you’re being horrifically unfair to Lincoln. A, he lived in a day and age when the consensus among scientists was that blacks were basically a lower form of human being, and B, he was, like pretty much everyone in politics pre-Hearst, willing to say or do anything to any given audience for political points. You could probably catch Davis aspousing abolitionism if you looked at the right place and time.

Abraham Lincoln, July 1858, Chicago Illinois:

Let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man, this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position. Let us discard all these things, and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are equal.

Abraham Lincoln, September 1858, Charleston Illinois:

I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races (applause from audience); that I am not, nor have ever been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people…

And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of the superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

A People’s History Of The United States, Howard Zinn, 2003 p. 188.

They’re all monsters. Get over Prince Barry. He’s going to fuck the liberal movement worse than Clinton. It sucks, but it’s true. Escalation in Afghanistan? Nuclear power? Clean coal? Hillary Fucking Shark Sandpaper Clinton as Secretary of State?

I would truly regret my vote if the alternative weren’t so abhorrent. I really hope that I’m wrong. I want Obama to succeed in doing for us what we need done. I have no confidence in his will to do so.

…can..opened…….worms..everywhere!!!

Can people please, please, please not make comments that state that college degree-less life is a quick trip to stocking Wal-Mart shelves and the like? It’s not true in many cases. I can vouch for that many times over. A degree doesn’t mean that you’re brilliant, destined for a good job, or protected from failure.

I can also vouch for the fact that both sides are false.

It is actually my hope that people get more cynical toward college degrees and what they do. If that happened, it would take a lot of people out of college who don’t really want to be there.

The targets tend not to get the point, but I tend to find a good ass-beating is its own reward.

True, true…

BTW, apropos a good ass-beating, here’s one for ya…

Shorter Twoofy: NiggerNIGGERniggerNIGGERniggerNIGGERniggerNIGGER…

/eternal lurker out…

Didn’t someone post here about how the ANC sold out to the World Bank and IMF and friends, and maybe that had something to do with the things they did that Suzman disliked?

Yes, that would be me, myself and I. Thanks for remembering. Too bad you’re Simba B and not “The Truth”.

(How I wish my pwn-y lessons would stick in the head of the target they were catapulted at…sigh.)

And now you know.