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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what&#039;s the deal?  You bash this guy, without really arguing what he says.   How intelligent of you.  Profanities are such a good way to win an argument.  Unfortunately, in this culture, that seems to be how people try to win arguments.  Only, they aren&#039;t arguments anymore.  Just bashing sessions.   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what&#8217;s the deal?  You bash this guy, without really arguing what he says.   How intelligent of you.  Profanities are such a good way to win an argument.  Unfortunately, in this culture, that seems to be how people try to win arguments.  Only, they aren&#8217;t arguments anymore.  Just bashing sessions.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, deeply resent the socialist nanny state&#039;s attempt to steal my right to smack my bitch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, deeply resent the socialist nanny state&#8217;s attempt to steal my right to smack my bitch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1630.html#comment-30190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny, John, because Carey &lt;i&gt;looks&lt;/i&gt; like a Norman Rockwell painting. &quot;The Old Crank at the Chok&#039;lit Shop&quot; or something. Maybe he likes to sit in front of Rockwells because it&#039;s like looking in a mirror. &quot;See the pretty birdie?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny, John, because Carey <i>looks</i> like a Norman Rockwell painting. &#8220;The Old Crank at the Chok&#8217;lit Shop&#8221; or something. Maybe he likes to sit in front of Rockwells because it&#8217;s like looking in a mirror. &#8220;See the pretty birdie?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part was actually his bio. In his spare time he admires Normal Rockwell paintings (hey, easy there Wild Thang) and collecting antiques (like his baby pictures?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part was actually his bio. In his spare time he admires Normal Rockwell paintings (hey, easy there Wild Thang) and collecting antiques (like his baby pictures?).</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Mr. Carey is being so persnickety about specifying who the victims of lynching* were, he might also have specified who the perpetrators were... Why yes, white &lt;i&gt;men&lt;/i&gt;. Imagine that.



*Funny word, that, at least when the legal types get hold of it. Stout Maoist acquaintance of mine has a lynching bust on his record because many years ago, he freed a fellow demonstrator from the back of a police car while the cop was busting someone else. Taking someone from legal custody in any fashion is &quot;lynching.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Mr. Carey is being so persnickety about specifying who the victims of lynching* were, he might also have specified who the perpetrators were&#8230; Why yes, white <i>men</i>. Imagine that.</p>
<p>*Funny word, that, at least when the legal types get hold of it. Stout Maoist acquaintance of mine has a lynching bust on his record because many years ago, he freed a fellow demonstrator from the back of a police car while the cop was busting someone else. Taking someone from legal custody in any fashion is &#8220;lynching.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: vetiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>vetiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jillian, Carey&#039;s even wronger than that. In the 1890s, a black journalist named Ida B. Wells analyzed over a thousand cases of lynching. Despite the widespread excuse that white Southerners became understandably unhinged by the bestial attacks on pure white womanhood -- rape, or attempted rape, was cited as the &quot;cause&quot; of the lynching in only a third of the cases. (Among the other charges: burglary, &quot;sassiness,&quot; association with a suspected criminal.) Her research further showed that in many cases, the sexual relationship was consensual, with the rape accusation made only when the secret and illegal relationship was discovered. Wells herself was threatened with lynching when she wrote an editorial dismissing the we-only-lynch-rapists excuse as &quot;that old threadbare lie.&quot;

Carey might&#039;ve been a mere whippersnapper in 1894, but still -- you&#039;d think he&#039;d have better recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jillian, Carey&#8217;s even wronger than that. In the 1890s, a black journalist named Ida B. Wells analyzed over a thousand cases of lynching. Despite the widespread excuse that white Southerners became understandably unhinged by the bestial attacks on pure white womanhood &#8212; rape, or attempted rape, was cited as the &#8220;cause&#8221; of the lynching in only a third of the cases. (Among the other charges: burglary, &#8220;sassiness,&#8221; association with a suspected criminal.) Her research further showed that in many cases, the sexual relationship was consensual, with the rape accusation made only when the secret and illegal relationship was discovered. Wells herself was threatened with lynching when she wrote an editorial dismissing the we-only-lynch-rapists excuse as &#8220;that old threadbare lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Carey might&#8217;ve been a mere whippersnapper in 1894, but still &#8212; you&#8217;d think he&#8217;d have better recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Yosef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yosef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;QUESTION: What do liberals and hard core Marxists have in common?&lt;/i&gt;

They think &lt;i&gt;Duck Soup&lt;/i&gt; was one of the best movies ever?

ba-dum-bump...ching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>QUESTION: What do liberals and hard core Marxists have in common?</i></p>
<p>They think <i>Duck Soup</i> was one of the best movies ever?</p>
<p>ba-dum-bump&#8230;ching!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part was at the end of his ridiculous, rambling rant,when he said:

&lt;i&gt;Because the last thing that presidential hopeful Biden wants is for persons to draw historic parallels between the Violence Against Women Act which portends the widescale curtailment of men&#039;s civil liberties, and the injustices that befell wrongly-accused Black men generations ago&lt;/i&gt;

Right.  the widescale curtailment of men&#039;s civil right to beat the shit out of their wives and girlfriends.  That is an invasion of civil liberties!!!  Not to mention a rejection of God&#039;s laws!!!  It is every man&#039;s god given right to &quot;correct&quot; the little woman when she is out of line!!!  To deny them that right is just like the lynchings!!!!

Christ.  I had never read anything by this guy before, so thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part was at the end of his ridiculous, rambling rant,when he said:</p>
<p><i>Because the last thing that presidential hopeful Biden wants is for persons to draw historic parallels between the Violence Against Women Act which portends the widescale curtailment of men&#8217;s civil liberties, and the injustices that befell wrongly-accused Black men generations ago</i></p>
<p>Right.  the widescale curtailment of men&#8217;s civil right to beat the shit out of their wives and girlfriends.  That is an invasion of civil liberties!!!  Not to mention a rejection of God&#8217;s laws!!!  It is every man&#8217;s god given right to &#8220;correct&#8221; the little woman when she is out of line!!!  To deny them that right is just like the lynchings!!!!</p>
<p>Christ.  I had never read anything by this guy before, so thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Marq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carey is so &lt;i&gt;very &lt;/i&gt;desiccated-looking that I think any woman I&#039;ve ever met could stomp him into a fine, grey powder. So you have to give him about half-a-point for courage, &#039;cos someday, somewhere, a woman will recognize his shriveled husk and WHAM!
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And they don&#039;t really mind the State&#039;s using war to advance their utopian goals of universal peace.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wasn&#039;t that one of our Popular Wartime Preznit?&#039;s &lt;i&gt;many &lt;/i&gt;excuses for invading Iraq? Projecting much, Nathan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carey is so <i>very </i>desiccated-looking that I think any woman I&#8217;ve ever met could stomp him into a fine, grey powder. So you have to give him about half-a-point for courage, &#8216;cos someday, somewhere, a woman will recognize his shriveled husk and WHAM!</p>
<blockquote><p><i>And they don&#8217;t really mind the State&#8217;s using war to advance their utopian goals of universal peace.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that one of our Popular Wartime Preznit?&#8217;s <i>many </i>excuses for invading Iraq? Projecting much, Nathan?</p>
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		<title>By: Aquagirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aquagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of juvenile humor, BROAD legal experience? Over BLOWN allegations? hee. Paging Dr. Freud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of juvenile humor, BROAD legal experience? Over BLOWN allegations? hee. Paging Dr. Freud.</p>
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		<title>By: jkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberals are...pro-death...&quot;

No, he&#039;s got us there. We definitely oppose legions of the undead forever walking the earth in a search for sweet, delicious brains (see Novak, Robert), and so logically must be pro-death.

Oh, and Anne? The sick thing is that these guys would LOVE IT if you kneed them in the groin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberals are&#8230;pro-death&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s got us there. We definitely oppose legions of the undead forever walking the earth in a search for sweet, delicious brains (see Novak, Robert), and so logically must be pro-death.</p>
<p>Oh, and Anne? The sick thing is that these guys would LOVE IT if you kneed them in the groin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1630.html#comment-30181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty Python is the perfect blend of educated humor and fart jokes.  Thus, it is the perfect humor for liberal-types, who are better educated than the right wing mouth breathers, but still down to earth enough to laugh at a properly timed &quot;pull my finger!&quot;

No one who lacks either a basic classical education or a strong background in languages and grammar would laugh at the &quot;Romanes eunt domus&quot; bit from Life of Brian, but those who take themselves too seriously would never laugh at Bigus Dickus and his wife Incontinentia Buttocks.

And now I must go watch Life of Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty Python is the perfect blend of educated humor and fart jokes.  Thus, it is the perfect humor for liberal-types, who are better educated than the right wing mouth breathers, but still down to earth enough to laugh at a properly timed &#8220;pull my finger!&#8221;</p>
<p>No one who lacks either a basic classical education or a strong background in languages and grammar would laugh at the &#8220;Romanes eunt domus&#8221; bit from Life of Brian, but those who take themselves too seriously would never laugh at Bigus Dickus and his wife Incontinentia Buttocks.</p>
<p>And now I must go watch Life of Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that you only see Monty Python references on liberal sites.

That means we&#039;re all cross-dressers too.  or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that you only see Monty Python references on liberal sites.</p>
<p>That means we&#8217;re all cross-dressers too.  or something.</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, he forgot pro-groin-kneeing.  It&#039;s as anti-American as clafouti aux cerises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, he forgot pro-groin-kneeing.  It&#8217;s as anti-American as clafouti aux cerises!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jillian said.  Don&#039;t even get me started on Carey.

&lt;i&gt;Liberals are pro-abortion, pro-death, pro-gay, and anti-American&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s profoundly depressing and yet somehow amusing that wanting to leave gay people alone is listed alongside being &quot;pro-death&quot; (oh, and everything ALIVE will eventually DIE -- saying someone&#039;s pro-death is like saying they&#039;re pro-oxygen, you cocksnot! Being in favor of it or against it is irrelevant!) and that it&#039;s all nicely wrapped up with &quot;anti-American.&quot;

I would LOVE to knee all these guys in the groin.  Man, that would be awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jillian said.  Don&#8217;t even get me started on Carey.</p>
<p><i>Liberals are pro-abortion, pro-death, pro-gay, and anti-American</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s profoundly depressing and yet somehow amusing that wanting to leave gay people alone is listed alongside being &#8220;pro-death&#8221; (oh, and everything ALIVE will eventually DIE &#8212; saying someone&#8217;s pro-death is like saying they&#8217;re pro-oxygen, you cocksnot! Being in favor of it or against it is irrelevant!) and that it&#8217;s all nicely wrapped up with &#8220;anti-American.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would LOVE to knee all these guys in the groin.  Man, that would be awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carey Roberts doesn&#039;t even get any of the historical facts about lynching right.  Which is surprising, because he seems old enough to have been to a few of them.

The sexual misconduct that African-American men in the South were usually &quot;guilty&quot; of involved looking at a white woman.  And the person who proferred this charge against the man was usually &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the woman, but some man in her family - her husband or her father or somesuch.  It was simply known that if an African-American man looked at a white woman, it was only a matter of time until he raped her, so it was best to lynch him first.

There are also a number of cases where a white woman and a black man were having a consensual nonmarital sexual affair, and she gets caught at it by a male relative, and then gets out of it by crying rape.

This is not to say that black-on-white rape never occurred in the Jim Crow south, but think about it - if you have a man inclined to rape, why on earth would he want to rape a white woman when he could commit sexual violence against any African-American woman in the area and no white person would bat an eyelash?

And his account of the Emmitt Till lynching is unique in that it&#039;s the only one I&#039;ve ever seen that gets every single goddamned detail wrong, except for the name of the woman involved.  Every other detail he gives is incorrect.  It&#039;s like an account of how the Till lynching took place on Bizarro World, or something.

And I thought liberals were America haters who knew nothing about American history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carey Roberts doesn&#8217;t even get any of the historical facts about lynching right.  Which is surprising, because he seems old enough to have been to a few of them.</p>
<p>The sexual misconduct that African-American men in the South were usually &#8220;guilty&#8221; of involved looking at a white woman.  And the person who proferred this charge against the man was usually <i>not</i> the woman, but some man in her family &#8211; her husband or her father or somesuch.  It was simply known that if an African-American man looked at a white woman, it was only a matter of time until he raped her, so it was best to lynch him first.</p>
<p>There are also a number of cases where a white woman and a black man were having a consensual nonmarital sexual affair, and she gets caught at it by a male relative, and then gets out of it by crying rape.</p>
<p>This is not to say that black-on-white rape never occurred in the Jim Crow south, but think about it &#8211; if you have a man inclined to rape, why on earth would he want to rape a white woman when he could commit sexual violence against any African-American woman in the area and no white person would bat an eyelash?</p>
<p>And his account of the Emmitt Till lynching is unique in that it&#8217;s the only one I&#8217;ve ever seen that gets every single goddamned detail wrong, except for the name of the woman involved.  Every other detail he gives is incorrect.  It&#8217;s like an account of how the Till lynching took place on Bizarro World, or something.</p>
<p>And I thought liberals were America haters who knew nothing about American history.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffalo Gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffalo Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s OK, BruceH.  I was going to say about the same thing, probably not so well.</description>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice collection Brad. my favorite parts were Carey&#039;s use of &quot;ravishing&quot; and Nathan&#039;s concession that the Chickenhawk criticism is spot-on (&quot;&lt;i&gt;Conservatives, on the other hand, truly love freedom ? so much so that when necessary, they are willing to fight&lt;/i&gt;&quot; - ok then, go and fight you freedom-lover!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice collection Brad. my favorite parts were Carey&#8217;s use of &#8220;ravishing&#8221; and Nathan&#8217;s concession that the Chickenhawk criticism is spot-on (&#8220;<i>Conservatives, on the other hand, truly love freedom ? so much so that when necessary, they are willing to fight</i>&#8221; &#8211; ok then, go and fight you freedom-lover!)</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I understand. These asshats &quot;support the troops&quot;, as long as that means buying a sticker for a couple of bucks and not actually having to raise any taxes?

Sacrifice, as long as someone else is doing it. I guess that&#039;s what Jesus would do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand. These asshats &#8220;support the troops&#8221;, as long as that means buying a sticker for a couple of bucks and not actually having to raise any taxes?</p>
<p>Sacrifice, as long as someone else is doing it. I guess that&#8217;s what Jesus would do?</p>
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		<title>By: BruceH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry about the double post. Please feel free to delete one and this one too. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry about the double post. Please feel free to delete one and this one too. ;)</p>
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