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So much for that Eighth Commandment again.
“I think that the Democrats should reflect on what they themselves do that is corrupt and recognize that they are desperately trying to transfer their evil deeds to the Republican Party.”
From Marie Jon’s new column at PeoplePolitical.org
An old proverb says, “You are not what you think you are, but you are what you think.” The statement is not merely an ancient proverb, but it is also a Bible truth. The Bible states that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).
[...]
Satan attacks all of us in many ways, but perhaps his most vigorous assault is brought to bear upon our thoughts. What we think eventually makes us what we are. Our thoughts often lead to actions — and so the battleground is within our thoughts. Each of us is responsible for what we welcome into our mind.
From ‘A Call to Thought Purity,’ by Harold S. Martin (1892-1961)
An older proverb says, “You are not what you think you are, but you are what you think.” The statement is not merely an ancient proverb, but it is also a Bible truth. The Bible states that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).
Satan attacks all of us in many ways, but perhaps his most vigorous assault is brought to bear upon our thought lives. Satan knows that what we think, eventually makes us what we are. He knows that our thoughts often lead to actions — and so he works on our thought lives. Each of us is responsible for what he welcomes into his mind.
[See here and keep scrolling up the page for context and further details]
Woodrowfan said,
August 5, 2005 at 14:54
yeah, well, um, CLINTON, CLINTON, CLINTON!
Woodrowfan said,
August 5, 2005 at 14:55
damn, it dropped the (start marie) and the (stop marie tags.) sorry bout that.
a.m.griff said,
August 5, 2005 at 14:58
Reminds me of another proverb, “A fool can use a proverb about as well as a crippled man can use his legs.”
Anonymous said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:23
Doesn’t the fact that MJ put another whole paragraph between those two exonerate her of whatever false charges you’re implying?
What do you think about most of the time? What puts a smile on your face?
Oh, you KNOW what puts a smile on my face, MJ. Don’t you? Don’t you, you little vixen?
… these good and lovely thoughts produce happy endorphins inside the brain …
I try to keep my endorphins happy, too. “C’mon, you crazy polypeptides, let’s us go out, get us some Ouzo, and find some neuroreceptors willing to bind!”
mdhatter said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:30
Wow, she can channel a dead moron.
maybe that’s here secret. Automatic writing.
It might explain the grammar and spelling (though not the ‘).
Karl said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:31
> Each of us is responsible for what we welcome into our mind.
Hence MJ’’s obvious desire to play it safe by letting as little into her mind as possible.
Dan Craig said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:32
I just like how MJ’ revised the final sentence to make it grammatically incorrect.
tg said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:40
One’s own personal choice of language tells much about oneself.
Yes, yes it does, MJ. Recognition of this is the first step toward grammatical rehabilitation. Your honesty with yourself has earned the respect of everyone here. We want to help.
salvage said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:41
One can be stupid and one can be a theif, to be both is to invite disaster.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:46
Marie Jon’:
Please dear, they won’t let up. Contact me at once and we can get together and gin up some writing of your own over a bottle of wine. If worse comes to worse you can copy your next column from the label.
All that I ask in return is a personal demonstration of the PeePo thong in action.
Karl said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:48
From MJ’’s bio tag:
>>Marie Jon’ is the founder of PeoplePolitical.org Marie attends
>>nursing school in her state. [...] Her writing style is down to earth.
“Down to earth” is apparently a highly-compressed euphemism for “her grammar, word choice and punctuation are downright hallucinatory, and she steals.”
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 15:55
Plagarized wingnuttery. Is there any crime more pathetic?
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:17
I can’t imagine why she’d do it AGAIN after getting busted for the last column.
It’s not hard to spot, either: You look at her stuff and get to a sentence that has measured cadences, and sure enough, it’s copied from somewhere.
I didn’t even check the rest of the column.
Greg said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:27
So Satan is the one responsible for those nasty feelings I let into my mind? As in, reading MJ columns makes me wanna smoke meth? I was going to blame Marie, but now that I know it’s Satan, I’ll never stop. Off to Freerepublic I go, tra la la.
Vladi G said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:32
Hey, if it’s good enough for Doris Kearns Goodwin, it’s good enough for Marie.
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:35
In regards to the faking scandal and wha?, our stance is not to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Marie, I’m glad to see you shaved your mustache.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:35
Let’s try it, Saami poika.
MJ:
An old proverb says, “You are not what you think you are, but you are what you think.” The statement is not merely an ancient proverb, but it is also a Bible truth. The Bible states that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).
Anabaptists.org
An older proverb says, “You are not what you think you are, but you are what you think.” The statement is not merely an ancient proverb, but it is also a Bible truth. The Bible states that as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).
That was the first sentence. That’s enough. Has she no shame? If I were caught plagiarizing, I’d hide myself away and not show my crimson face for a good long time. She blithely trips along, plagiarizing like she doesn’t know any better.
I think I’ve got it. That picture up there isn’t of Marie Jon’. Marie Jon’ is a young child pretending to be an adult. And she fooled you. HaHa.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:37
She’s got sisu, eh?
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:40
Well, when we Finns think of sisu, it’s usually something worthwhile like kicking Russki butt. No, Marie Jon’ needs another stereotypical Finnish-ism to explain her columns. Not only does she have sisu, she’s pig drunk.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:45
Well, my stock of appropriate Finnish expressions is mostly permutations of vittu — and in fact half the spoken language is probably just variations on vittu with other terms thrown in for variety…
Do you know how to inflect vittu in the case that means, ‘out of?’
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:47
Like, vittun is ‘into.’
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:49
Vittulta?
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:49
I know one Finnish-ism is to dress up like a little girl when you try to go get sundries from someone so that they don’t realize that you’re a runaway little boy trying to take a slave up to the free states on a raft.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 16:55
Not to mention those dudes in Split Enz.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:02
I bear an uncanny resemblance to Neil Finn. It was to the point where the ladies would ask for my autograph. Of course this was back during the heady Crowded House era. And of course I never used my resemblance for evil only for good.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:03
Any progress on the flashing Marie beacon?
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:04
Sorry, I can’t do the Finnish endings or verbs. This page might help: http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/finnish.htm
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:15
I was thinking of something quite simple - a animated flashing spinning Virgen de Guadalupe that intones “Marie in da house” every time she enters the site.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:19
Ah, but that would be copying — exactly how Marie keeps getting in trouble.
Let’s say paska vitulta. Apparently vittun drops a ‘t’ when going into the whatsitive case…
See, one of the greatest things is how these terms sound when you operatically blurt them out. PAHS-ka!
That’s cursin’, man.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:26
Jumalauta, I’d hate to be born of Marie after what you said!
I also like this one: “?itisi nai poroja” which means your mother copulates with reindeer.
(http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/finnish.htm)
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:26
I checked Marie’s IP address during the threats/lawyer thing, and she actually shares an IP and time stamp with two other people who stop by a lot (who live in the same area, apparently). So it’s not 100% certain that it’s her — more like 85%, depending on who else is around.
kiche said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:27
damn, straight cold busted in a blatant act of plagiarism.
apparently she stole from someone who thought we should set up “thought police”. hmmm… ms jon’ is starting to look less like a silly wingnut and like an actual neo-nazi…
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:34
I also like this one: “?itisi nai poroja” which means your mother copulates with reindeer.
Yeah, I was talking to Marq about that a couple days ago. He was like, “I don’t like when people use the word, ‘fag,’” and I was like, “Yeah, I have sort of a thing about rendeer-fucking jokes when directed personally.” And then I was thinking, “Well that’s silly; how often do reindeer-fucking jokes really come up, honestly?”
But see, there it is! It happened!
Not offended of course, but one might shoot back with suksi porovittun!
Pinko Punko said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:59
The Finnish is flying thick and heavy! That’s when you know the going’s getting rough and the tough are gettin’ goin’!
Nickel Bloom said,
August 5, 2005 at 17:59
Comedic gold!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:16
Thank goodness you don’t take it personally, because I’d be in big trouble if you did. According to this page:
http://www.orkneyjar.com/folklore/selkiefolk/origins/origin3.htm
“the Saami were regarded as great sorcerors with the power to control the weather, travel great distances in magical trances and shapeshift - usually into the form of a sea animal or bear.”
I don’t want to be on the wrong side of your Saami-Fu! :)
More seriously, I also have ancestors who were from the reindeer herding areas where the sun never sets in the summer. Let’s end on two things we can agree on. Porot ovat s?p?j?. Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa.
And for Marie, I say this: S?isin mieluummin salmiakkia. Mit? hinta on y?lt??
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:19
About what you said: I’m afraid my skis are packed away for the summer, and besides, the reindeer don’t trust me anymore.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:28
Come on People let?s get Political! The question on the table is who is hotter Kira or Absolutely Sweet Marie
We?re using PeoplePolitical?s latest poll as our proxy voting booth.
Remember a vote for Kira is a vote for Mom, apple pie, America, our troops, and a vote against racial profiling. A ?yes? vote is a vote for Marie, plagiarism and raciacl profiling.
The choice has never been clearer.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:43
Stop fanning the flames of division, GregH. Don’t you know it makes us look weak, and gives the enemy aid-and-comfort.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that supporters of Kira and GregH are guilty of TREASON!
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:46
Porot ovat s?p?j?.
Heh heh. Porot ovat ruoka. Marie on s?p?j? (mutta h?n on ?lyk??pi?).
Where were your relatives from?
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:47
Greg, how dare you suggest bringing another woman into our lives? Another woman, who can be seen much better on this page:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Kira%20Zalan&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Another woman… Aaiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
And I was doing to well just a few posts above. Marie said $25.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:50
Oh come on guys, Kira’s got a lot, but she doesn’t go mental or plagiarize every few days like clockwork.
Does she? I mean, I’m willing to be schooled here.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:51
Kira’s just a pretty face, guys. Marie’s got body AND soul.
Realist said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:53
Scroll down to the bottom of the PeePoo homepage and you’ll notice that MJ’ has been Photoshopping again. Or just go here:
http://www.bunnycat.net/crows.jpgLooks like maybe someone’s confusing Casting Crowns with Counting Crows.Next time MJ’ decides to make someone a “featured artist” she might want to spell their name correctly.
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:55
Looks like she’s here! Everybody look sharp!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:56
Gavin, they were from all over, but the one I was speaking of was from near Kittila. Have you ever had reindeer? I’ve had venison, but I can’t say for sure I’ve had reindeer. Maybe years ago when I was too young to appreciate Marie.
By the way, I sure hope Marie doesn’t know Finnish, because we’d sure be in trouble if she did :)
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 18:58
Mattila for mine. Never have had it, no.
Marie’s in the house, btw. Either her or Celticgirl; it’s unclear.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:00
She’s here? Oh Marie, I wasn’t doing anything with Kira. It’s not what it looks like; you’re the only woman for me. Plus, you said $25.
Oh Marie, don’t give Gavin trouble for talking about you being an ?lyk??pi?. He was only trying to compliment you, just like I do when I call you a butterbrain. Your face is so nice, just like Louhi’s daughter.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:00
Marie’s in the house, btw. Either her or Celticgirl; it’s unclear.
Have we ever seen them together in the same place?
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:12
What are the people saying about Kira?
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:21
DAMN YOU GREGH!!! You did it while she was here, too! You run this whole anti-Marie campaign, then make me look like a Kira-supporter when Marie gets here. You’re a cockblocker extraordinaire. You magnificent Bastard!
Marie:
Baby, honey, I was only trying to make gregh feel better when I said that. You can’t listen to him…he’s part of the MSM for God’s sake!
Oh, and have you ever worn the PeePo thong? I gotta know.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:22
Wha?: When she gets blitzed (and you know she does) and the panties come flying off (and you know they do), I wouldn’t mind being the guy in the room with her.
Jesus, that’s classless.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:29
Yes Wha?, that’s just classless like an Ideal Socialist Utopia….wah..wah…wah
(Actually I think the line deserves to be immortalized as a Wha? classic)
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:35
Yeah, Wha? really hit rock boner, er, bottom with that one.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:44
I’m sure Kira’s panties just don’t come flying off willie-nilly. I have every confidence that she picks them up and neatly places them on the bedside table.
Greg H said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:47
(I took a peek at the photo link provided by Ukko and I have to admit that Marie is definitely hotter.)
Vestal Vespa said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:48
Satan attacks all of us in many ways, but perhaps his most vigorous assault is brought to bear upon our thoughts. What we think eventually makes us what we are. Our thoughts often lead to actions — and so the battleground is within our thoughts. Each of us is responsible for what we welcome into our mind.
Soo . . . Marie is telling us that Satan tells her to DO things.
I think she needs more help than even S,N! can give.
Dan Someone said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:50
Could one of you Finn sharks please explain to me: Under what circumstances would I want to call someone a “nippleyard’s janitor” (N?nnipihan talonmies)?
Vestal Vespa said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:51
“the Saami were regarded as great sorcerors with the power to control the weather, travel great distances in magical trances and shapeshift - usually into the form of a sea animal or bear.”
Wow, cool. Dang, I guess if you’re only 1/64 Saami you lose the shapeshifting gene. Otherwise I’d spend most of my time as an otter. That looks like a good time.
aaron said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:52
That’s GOLD, Jerry! GOLD!
aaron said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:52
There was supposed to be an “end Banya” tag after that.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 19:52
I’d spend my time as Marie’s turtleneck.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:04
I knew you’d come around. Who could resist such an exotic creature?
Frederick said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:27
Great minds think alike — and mediocre minds, too!
Oh, FTLOG said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:35
Surely I’m going to hell for this, but…
I sent Marie a little note: What’d you do with the Sadly, Yes! site? I
thought it was wonderful. They really deserve a good dressing down. Filth!
Utter trash!
BTW, have you gotten a thong from the PP store yet? I’m kinda uneasy
ordering one. Are they comfortable?
And got a very personal response:
We are so sorry that you have the impression that our Website took any credit for Sadly Yes. They came to us and promised their humor would be totally fun and light. Sadly no we looked! However I’m sure you’ll enjoy our new Website that is under construction. This will be affiliated somewhat with People Political Website.
As to your question about thongs being comfortable. Try a pair. You will see no line in jeans. That is a very important thing to be concerned about in a time of war on terror I think about it often as I have my finger nails done. Oh, you are laughing I pray. I know you are laughing! The RIGHT SIDE type babes have a great sense of humor. We also take great care of our good looks and totally like healthy bodies. “God made woman beautiful for man.” “Man shall leave his home and cling unto his wife.” So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him;Male and female He created them. Genesis Chapter 1 v 27.
God bless you dear Ducky.Wear your new pair of thongs in good health. They are less expensive if you by seven pair at once. I guess it ties in with the seven days and creation . I guess that’s why you get a bargain low price by buying seven pair at time, not to mention one changes their dainties every day. If not than truly Sadly no on you!
Love In Him.
Marie Jon’ Biscotti
“Remember the Sabot day to keep it holy.”
Oh, she’s such a card!! Bless ‘er heart.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:39
NO WAY!
Oh, FTLOG said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:43
WAY!!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:44
Dan,
i think nipple-yard (n?nnipihan) means aureole. I don’t know for sure what it means to be a janitor or caretaker for an aureole, but I’d sure do it for Marie.
Heads up, FTLOG, you’ve given us an in! Marie doesn’t like the panty-lines and nasty seams. She might like these:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.babyidea.fi/imetys/ovaali5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.babyidea.fi/imetys/ovaali.html&h=182&w=227&sz=8&tbnid=yC8_aoD4-JEJ:&tbnh=82&tbnw=103&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DN%25C3%25A4nnipihan%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26hs%3Dpll%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
The best I can understand, these bra inserts don’t have annoying seams around the edges. (Does that sound right, Gavin? N?nnin tai n?nnipihan kohdalla ei ole Ovaaleissa lainkaan saumoja.)
Oh, FTLOG said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:45
I KNOW I’m going to hell. I just know it!!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:46
Better link:
htt[://www.babyidea.fi/imetys/ovaali.html
I think these are pregnancy bra inserts, so I don’t know that I want to be involved with them and Marie. I chicken out, but that leavers her ALL to you!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:47
My love for Marie is killing me. Try again.
http://www.babyidea.fi/imetys/ovaali.html
Gregh said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:51
Dude, Oh FTLOG, write her back and ask her what size she wears. Tell her that she appears to be about the same size as your companion in Christ.
petercollada said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:51
That is a real response?
Brian said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:52
If, indeed, that picture is really her - she’s hot. Is she single?
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:58
I… oy. Marie, you’re the greatest thing to happen to this website since Amber Pawlik’s barf-inducing pizza.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 20:59
Marie, honey, can’t you even avoid plagiarizing in your emails? This quote is awful similar from here:
http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/god_made_woman_beautiful_and_foolish-beautiful/179081.html
“God made woman beautiful and foolish; beautiful, that man might love her; and foolish, that she might love him.”
Marie, honey, look at me, You’re very, very foolish.
salvage said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:01
I sent her the definition of plagiarism (from dictionary.com) and this was her response and my response to her response:
> You certainly have your nerve.
I certainly do!
> What do you know about who I write for and whom I have to do with?
Er not much, entertainment of smart-asses like myself?
> I think you’ll find it very interesting who will be contributing writers on our new Website
Oh without a doubt but not in the way that you’re thinking I think.
>The caliber of religious writers and their names will be very much be in prominence.
Yeah I’m sure it will be, will you also be stealing material from them as well?
>How about you taking care of yourself.
I do! That’s how I start and finish my day.
>Sadly no, you are found in the balance wanting.
The rules state that if you say “Sadly no” on the web you have to include a link to Sadly, No! or else Brad TPs your house. Aside from that my site is hairyfishnuts and it’s unbalanced yet still wanting.
> http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-God-not-forgive.html
Yes, yes your sky god is very scary, pit of fire, endless poking by devils, I’ve watched enough Buffy the Vampire Slayer to get the gist of it.
So back to the plagiarism thing, you should understand that’s a very serious charge, especially if you’re doing anything like writing, which I assume is what you?re trying to do. Are you denying it?
> Happy Sabbath - Sabot or Lord’s Day.
Meh, I’ll just say TGIF!
> Thank You,
> Marie
No, no thank you! Your site has provided much giggles.
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:06
She’s so fly.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:06
Supa Fly!
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:07
Dammit! Kira’s winning big right now. I think someone’s been throwing the vote.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:11
Hey! How do y’all get the personal audience? OH FTLOG, how did she know you were female? Are you female? Did you lie? Somehow, lying to Marie seems especially cruel.
Wait a second…why did she sign Marie Jon’ Biscotti? Her last name is Marsala, unless she got married. Goddamnit, she BETTER not have gotten married!! Maybe it’s the name of her ex-husband.
Can one of you who she deighns to converse with ask her about that? Also, I want more thong-talk..can you arrange more thong-talk? Did you use the prettyproud address?
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:12
Yosef, don’t you worry your pretty little head. Marie Jon’ Biscotti has ways of fixing these little things. It’s in the bag, so to speak.
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:13
Wait, she went from Marsala to Biscotti? What is it with the Italian food?
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:14
Marie, darling, I have something for you. No, silly, it isn’t a nursing bra insert; it’s something better. Are you ready? Here it is:
My Present
When you can handle that, Marie, I think we should grab a little something to eat. Talk to you later, honey.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:14
All of a sudden I’m hungry.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:14
Marie Jon’ Linguini.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:15
Marie Jon’ Bruschetta.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:15
Yes, GregH is throwing the vote, hard - did you see his last campaign ad?!? Bastard.
Also, everyone that comes through here and decides they want to check out MJ’s site for a larf probably sees the poll and does their lefty duty by registering their opinion against racial profiling, not realizing that the cost of assuaging their conscience is the humiliating defeat of St. Marie Sexius at the hands of Kira and GregH. In this case the road to hell is indeed paved with good intentions.
Racial Profiling, People: It’s not as bad as that damned GregH!!
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:16
Marie Jon’ Meat-a-ball-a Sandwich-a.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:18
OK this one kinda rhymes: Marie Jon’ Parmasean.
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:19
That’s pretty good.
Marie Jon’ Pasghetti.
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:21
How about Marie Jon’ Frappacino to wash it down?
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:32
They added in a 3rd answer on the poll - “not sure” Who will that one represent?
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:33
How about Ayn Clouter?
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:39
OK, I’ve got an even better one:
Marie Lasagn’a
Yosef said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:43
Marie Jon’ Quattro Formaggio Pizza.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:46
Hold on to your hats!! This thread is about to bust 100!! S,N record?
Indeed Marie Jon’ is a blessing!
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:48
Marie Maranthanzola?
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:49
She put up a third category? Is she even reading this?
Marie Jon’ :
Do you know what is at stake here? Throw the poll for god’s sake! Throw the poll!!
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:50
100, bitchez!!!
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:51
That’s it, Brad R! Satanen yksi. Satan has arrived.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:52
Ukko -
That was a very weird and scary comment to be #100…
Mal de mer said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:53
OK this one kinda rhymes: Marie Jon’ Parmasean
You mean, it’s Marie-zhon? I’ve been pronouncing it like Mary-John!
I don’t think she noticed, right? Oh, God, I’m so embarrassed.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 21:54
Uhm, *I* had the 100th comment, thank you very much.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:04
Right, Brad. I wouldn’t think of taking that honor from you. I was trying to say “the number one hundred one” in Finnish, but I’m not sure I got the grammar right. Anyway, “the number of one hundred” is “satanen” in Finnish.
Oh, FTLOG said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:08
wha?, if you’ll read what I sent her, you’ll see why she thinks I’m a female (which I AM). Here’s what I sent in response to her reply:
Marie:
Thanks for the laugh. Everybody needs to have a sense of humor during these trying times.
I am concerned, however, that things (political) have gotten out of control. Aren’t you afraid that with all the bellicose, fundamentalist communication we’re turning the faith-less away from a spiritual life? Shouldn’t we open our arms and welcome them into the bossom of our family? Isn’t that what “Love thy neighbor” really means?
I am utterly heartbroken by the divisive discourse occurring in this country and want to thank you for attempting to reach out to the poor souls.
Ducky
ps - thanks also for the advice on thongs. My boyfriend has been trying to get me in one (oh, a little play on words there!) for quite a while. We’ll see.
I can’t wait to see if she has a hissy fit over the “boyfriend” comment.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:13
Sorry, Brad, my counter said 99, then I went back and saw Ukko’s ’satan’ comment and natuarally assumed.
So, is Satan really here now with the 100th comment, or is that someone working on a Kaye Grogan peice that I smell?
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:15
Oh, FTLOG -
I don’t think she’ll say anything about the boyfriend comment. Kerry Marsla printed in one of her columns that her daughter (who may or may not be Marie Jon’ Marsala Biscotti) was a single mother, so I don’t think she’ll throw stones on that one.
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:16
I’m in the middle of working on a Christian Worldview Test, actually. Should be up in the next half hour…
Brad R. said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:17
Kerry is not Marie’s mom. We e-mailed Kerry, and she told us she had no idea who Marie was.
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:29
At yet strangely Kerry appears as one of the columnists on Marie’s site. You’d think that there’d be some level of knowingness.
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:36
Brad -
Ummm….what did you expect her to say? I wouldn’t claim the little plagarizing vixen, either (well, not as my daughter).
It seems like a very odd coincidence that Marie Jon’ Marsala is a christian-wingnut web-writer, and Kerry Marsala is a christian-wingnut web-writer, and they link each other, endorse each other, etc. That Kerry M. runs a wingnut site with her Mom that links to MJ Marsala, but the two aren’t related.
I’ll allow that maybe they aren’t.
Lucy said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:37
I can only contribute two random comments here, since this thread has devolved into a hodgepodge of Finnish profanity, plays on Marie’s name, and a bunch of other stuff I don’t even understand, and so I’m not really qualified to play. BUT, (1) “parmesan” is pronounced, oddly enough, “par-me-san,” not “par-me-zhan,” and(2) I would never have guessed that the product of asexual-yet-still-unholy reproduction between Neve Campbell and Janeane Garofalo could turn out to be a PLAGIARIST!
GregH said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:43
Neve and Janeane? Now that does sound hot!
Something has been bothering me about Marie’s picture though. It’s seems so familiar. Like I said earlier she does remind me of an ex-girlfriend but there’s more to it than that. I get the feeling that I’ve seen her on TV. Perhaps as one of Jerry Seinfeld’s girlfriends?
wha? said,
August 5, 2005 at 22:54
If that’s not really Marie, I’m defaulting back to my “covey of contracted Indian web-content providers” theory.
That picture does look familiar, though.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 23:37
Lucy, not all the Finnish was profanity, it sounded like it :)
Lucy said,
August 5, 2005 at 23:50
Ukko, my apologies to your lovely language. I remembered the disgusting-Finnish-profanity contest from the other day and assumed y’all were comparing swears. May a sampo park itself next to your home and remain there for eternity, pouring out blessings and cash. (that’s a homemade Finnish-style wish by way of southern Europe. I’m not sure what a sampo is, but I saw it in a movie on Mystery Science Theater once, and they couldn’t figure out what it was, either, except it was something very good.)
Gavin M. said,
August 5, 2005 at 23:53
not all the Finnish was profanity
There were some pronouns and articles in there for grammar’s sake, certainly.
Ukko said,
August 5, 2005 at 23:59
Lucy, sorry if you didn’t like the swearing. Gavin and I were having fun.
Your blessing is very nice. The sampo comes from the Finnish national epic, the Kalevala. You can read about it here:
Kalevala extract
It’s basically like a mill that churns out everything you need, a bringer of all good things.
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 0:06
Mine’s been broken ever since I asked it to make giant death robots.
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 0:07
There’s also the Opmas. You don’t want one of those; nothing good ever comes of it.
Mal de mer said,
August 6, 2005 at 0:14
(1) “parmesan” is pronounced, oddly enough, “par-me-san,” not “par-me-zhan,”
You know, I just realised that I pronounce it par-me-san when I say “parmesan cheese”, but par-me-zhan when use it by itself. But, the English, she is not my mother tongue, eh?
Lucy said,
August 6, 2005 at 0:52
Ukko, I didn’t mind the swearing! My tone may have given you the impression that I did, but I was trying to be funny. :-) Please, go right ahead and enjoy yourselves. I’m just amazed that there are more than a couple of people here at S,N! who speak Finnish! Did you all go to the same Finnishing school, hahhaha!? ~The End~
Lucy said,
August 6, 2005 at 0:54
Gavin: so it’s Sampo good, Opmas bad. Gosh, I hope I don’t get them mixed up in an emergency someday!!
Brad R. said,
August 6, 2005 at 1:06
125, bitchez!!!
Mal de mer said,
August 6, 2005 at 1:44
Did you all go to the same Finnishing school, hahhaha!? ~The End~
*snick*. I’ve never laughed so much in one thread in my life as in this one.
I think, rather ominously, that a few of us are either from, or well-acquainted with, the rich, Finno-North American Empire that stretches from Michigan’s Upper Peninsula through Northern Ontario, where I grew up. I’m not Finnish, but where I lived, we had a street called Tuottelen Avenue. We snickered and called it “the Twat.”…ha ha ha.
We also had Estonians, so like it was a double-mint kind of thing; a combo-flavour of Finno-Ugrians.
Ukko said,
August 6, 2005 at 1:53
There are also Finns in Minnesota, Washington, and Oregon as well as many other areas. The first Finns came in, I think, the 1600s with the Swedes to found New Sweden, which didn’t last long, but brought the traditional log cabin to America. So you could say my ancestors are in part responsible for Abe Lincoln but also the Log Cabin Repiglicans. Many of the Finns in the US were at one time very political and associated with socialist movements. One of the few people to be lynched in Minnesota was a Finn, when Finns weren’t very popular due to their ethnicity and liberal politics.
The Estonians cheat, because they can understand Finn, but a Finn can’t understand Estonian. Estonian is like a shortened Finn.
Just remember, you can always tell a Finn, but you can’t tell him much.
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 2:31
Opmas? I saw one once at a chocolate factory. Never trusted the little bastards, what with all the singing and disappearing children.
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:18
In a shocking development, Marie and racial profiling are currently at 98% of the vote. Quite a turn around from a few hours ago. Christ moves in mysterious ways.
Marantha!
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:19
Did anyone else notice that MJ took down the masthead with all the pictures of the contributors? I’m not sure what good it did, since she still includes them with the columns.
Geez. If you guys keep this up the poor gal won’t have a site left.
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:20
Wha?, first thing I thought of was Oompa Loompas too.
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:21
Whoooooohooooo!! I knew the people would do what was right. I’m sure my message to her re: Throw the Damn Poll didn’t have anything to do with it, either.
In your face, SwiftGregH’s for Truth!
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:34
It was Rove, I should have never listened to that idiot. Condi! Condi! Bring me Rove’s head on a Pike!
oh, FTLOG said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:38
{sniff, sniff}
{whimper}
Why does she do this to me? I haven’t heard from Marie in, like, 5 hours! I sure hope she hasn’t found out that about…us.
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 3:47
Oh my poor Lil’ Ducky. Let’s go have a spa day and forget all about that dumb ole’ Marie Jon’ Biscotti Marsala.
Ukko said,
August 6, 2005 at 5:23
Oh Marie, I have learned something about you that sends me into horrible inner turmoil My pikku puinen poika is standing at full attention, but my larger boy is let down. Marie, you who proclaim yourself a born-again Christian, are loose. That’s it: loose.
I know you tried to keep it hidden, but you couldn’t keep it hidden from me. I sneaked into the hidden parts of your home (page) to see what type of sheets you use and discovered your secret.
Here at Sadly, No, we use Transitional, which is for those who aren’t slutty, but aren’t virgins either. The web daddies tell us we should be strict, but you Marie chose to be loose.
Go to http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd to see that the web daddies tell us, “Authors should use the Strict DTD when possible, but may use the Transitional DTD when support for presentation attribute and elements is required.” That means the daddies want us to be sexually strict, but they will understand if we don’t remain virgins until our wedding night. But under no circumstances do daddies want their little daughters to be loose, to be sluts.
I rebuke you, Marie. Be kind to the web daddies, stop being loose, and live chaste in your hypertext and stylish sheets before the Lord.
Lord Fairfax said,
August 6, 2005 at 6:47
whoa, she is quite a hottie… except for the whole right wing extremist thingy.
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 6:49
My pikku puinen poika
Peter Pekka’s got a palli for a peck o’ persett??
God, look what’s happened to us. We’re degenerating into subhuman creatures, only several notches above the Russians…
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 7:06
(pssssst, Mr. Marie-is-my-one-and-only [aka Wha?] is posting comments on KIRA’S SITE!)
Ukko said,
August 6, 2005 at 7:26
Well, we all know it takes about six dirty Russki aggresors to equal one Finn. 400k vs 66k casualties in the Winter War.
As far as the persett?, I say persett? tai vittu, I have a pystytt?minen. I’m not sure where exactly the stool comes from, but you might call me a tripod, execept for the pikku part.
Ukko said,
August 6, 2005 at 7:32
Winter War Casualties again
Greg, now that we know Marie is loose, I think we can all share her. And, lo, peace did reign in the house of Peepole, and the woman of the house did verily bring pleasure onto many.
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 7:36
Have you ever heard the story about the Finnish Jews and the SS battalion? That’s not a joke, btw. There’s this story I heard — if you know it, you’ll know which one I mean.
Ukko said,
August 6, 2005 at 7:43
I know the Finns didn’t like the Nazis and their anti-Semitism (only accepted German help out of necessity), but I didn’t hear the story you’re talking about. What happened?
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 8:03
I haven’t been able to source it, but according to the story, the Finnish authorities ‘hid’ a number of Jews by commissioning them into an SS unit. Berlin was apparently furious.
Marq said,
August 6, 2005 at 8:38
Well, I had to drop in on this little confab–what a relatively astonishing number of comments. It’s practically as though S,N! had turned into, oh, I don’t know, Balloon Juice over night or something. Not that I can add much to discussions about Finnish and the sexual harassment of female wingnuts. *Ahem*. That all said, I can’t stay up too late tonight, ‘cos tomorrow begins Northalsted Market Days, which I’m planning to mill about in. The musical acts this year don’t do too much for me. Last year, my favouritist gay punk band, Pansy Division, was there and fun was had by all.
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 9:48
Last year, my favouritist gay punk band, Pansy Division, was there and fun was had by all.
Love ‘em, btw.
But about this ’sexual harassment’… Now, this is a woman who made a fair bit of hay by accusing certain parties around here of bestiality and other sundry and divers things.
And then popped into comments all like, “You should see me in my hot pink bikini.”
I frankly felt very harassed, and I think I speak for all of us in saying that we need not stand for such threats against our personal safety.
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 13:04
That’s right, GregH. I can’t stop myself - I’m cuckoo for winger-gals (except she-who-will-not-be-named-K.). Plus, I didn’t know which way Marie was going to end up pushing the poll, so I wanted to cover all my bases.
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 14:15
That’s just classless.
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 15:50
Avoids tricky issues of class…
Brad R. said,
August 6, 2005 at 16:10
150, bitchez!!!
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 16:24
Wha? Do I have to chase you around the entire interwebs to make sure that you’re not slandering me?
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 17:46
GregH -
Yes. But it was all meant in good fun.
I’m kinda bored with it all now, though.
So….what’s the weather like up there?
piotr said,
August 6, 2005 at 18:33
I think that extending copy right beyond 15 years is against God’s will.
I read that substantial parts of Genesis are copied, without attribution, from Mesopotamian sources — the natural law does not recognize unlimited intelectual property, hence copying passages from other peoples, especially if more than 15 years after the original publication, is not a theft.
However, there is still a question of an un-fulfilled promise of photos in a hot pink bikini. Lord frowns upon making unfulfilled promises.
Rumblelizard said,
August 6, 2005 at 20:01
Hee hee! Hey MJ, all it takes is a blockquote tag and an attribution, babe. You could get Gavin off your ass just like *that*. But I’m beginning to suspect you like him there. How else could you so effectively feed your ‘I’m Being Martyred for Christians Everywhere’ jones?
Oh, FTLOG said,
August 6, 2005 at 20:15
I’m afraid I may be busted. I’ve never been good at covering my tracks, so it wouldn’t have been hard.
*sigh*
I’ll let you know if my “friendship” w/ Marie survives.
GregH said,
August 6, 2005 at 20:27
Wha?, I know you was just fooling. Who shall we annoy next?
wha? said,
August 6, 2005 at 21:02
GregH -
I dunno. We’ll have to wait and see who comes along. Kira should be pretty upset about Marie throwing the poll against her, so maybe she’ll want a rematch, or something. That might be fun.
Otherwise, it might be fun to go after Virgin Ben, but he’s probably kind of hard to get to. Does he have an email? Maybe a forum attached to his column?
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 22:09
You can always work on the profile at the ConservativeMatch.com. The username is SalLeno, password KayeGrogan…
Gavin M. said,
August 6, 2005 at 22:28
Also, Marie’s back. She was just in the Flat Tax thread.
GregH said,
August 7, 2005 at 1:48
Um, how’s my hair?
Ukko said,
August 7, 2005 at 3:31
wha?, you’re right that the Vee Ben is hard to get into. Have you ever tried penetrating an ass that tight? He’s gotta learn to relaaaax.
Ukko said,
August 7, 2005 at 3:38
In honor of the V-ky-Ben, let’s hear from our misognystic friend Eminem with “Ass Like That”
The way you shake it, I can’t believe it
I ain’t never seen an ass like that
The way you move it, you make my pee pee go
Doing, doing, doing
I don’t believe it, it’s almost too good to be true
I ain’t never seen an ass like that
The way you move it, you make my pee pee go
Doing, doing, doing
Respek, V wit da K an’ Ben wit da Y, grease up, baby!
Chris Moorehead said,
August 7, 2005 at 23:49
“Plagiarism is necessary. Progress implies it.”
- Isidore-Lucien Ducasse (Comte de Lautr?amont), 1846-1870
Here’s a defence for Marie — given that it comes from a Paris Communard, do you think she’ll use it?
Yosef said,
August 8, 2005 at 14:58
Hey guys, I was out all weekend. Did I miss anything?
Nimi said,
August 8, 2005 at 18:16
Gavin M, the inflection you’re looking for is “vitusta”. When something is “vitusta”, it’s commonly understood to be unsatisfactory. On the other hand, if you’re attempting to get into one - and who isn’t? - you’re going “vittuun”.
Ukko, “101″ translates as “satayksi”. “101st” is, logically enough, “sadasensimm?inen”. “Satanen” means a hundred euro bill or, colloquially, a hundred meter dash.
Finally, the story about hiding Jews from the Germans in an SS batallion sounds highly suspect. Jewish Finns fought in the regular Finnish military.
Yosef said,
August 8, 2005 at 19:26
166 bitchez!
Nimi said,
August 8, 2005 at 19:33
Also, “Tuottelen Avenue” roughly translates as “I’m Doing Some Producing Avenue”.
Marie said,
August 8, 2005 at 22:07
You on this blog assume much as well as make up all sorts of false accusations without full knowledge of what you bring attention as to other’s foibles. There are two sides to all situations. However mean spirited and so far left as you are I’ll not give you any accountabilities. Mr.Ken Wade from VOP.com has not one thing in common with your ilk. You know dip nothing about a lot of things. You have a very long history of attacking and lying about anyone that is not if your kind. But then why should I be shocked . You have no (fears respect) even for a living God. Your remarks fall short from the truth. You people have nothing better to do but blog .PLEASE CONTINUE GIVEING ME MORE WEB TRAFFIC! Some just might start taking http://www.VOP.com Bible studies.Did you enjoy your American greeting card? Goodness, I spoil you way to much.Have a wonderful week.
Kisses & Hugs
Marie
LAUGHING AND PRAYING YOU HOME
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16)
Ukko said,
August 9, 2005 at 0:03
Hi Marie, will you answer my response to your earlier post about you praying for us? Couldn’t it be said that your proselytizing shows a lack of humility and sense of cultural superiority, even if not intended?
Nimi, thanks for the help with Finnish. Not much Finnish has percolated down from my grandparents to me; just a few words and phrases.
Kenneth Fair said,
August 9, 2005 at 1:40
What I love is the tag line at the bottom of the People Political site:
Any duplication is prohibited by law? Reeeeallly?
D. Sidhe said,
August 9, 2005 at 2:15
“Dip nothing”?
Marie Jon' said,
August 9, 2005 at 6:11
Is the ACLU Bin Laden’s Best Ally?
Friday, August 05, 2005
By Bill O’Reilly
PHOTOS VIDEO
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ARCHIVE SHOW INFO
?Is the ACLU Bin Laden’s Best Ally?
August 05, 2005?Far-Left Crisis?
August 04, 2005?God vs. Science
August 03, 2005?A Tale of Two Terrorists
August 02, 2005?The Senate Slaps the ACLU
July 28, 2005?More Trouble On The Left….
July 27, 2005?Those Who Help the Terrorists…
July 26, 2005?Let’s Talk About Terror in Britain…
July 25, 2005?The Politics of Terror…
July 22, 2005?Why Judge Roberts Will Be Confirmed…
July 21, 2005?Why Do School Officials Hurt Poor Children?
July 20, 2005?Is Karl Rove a Hero?
July 19, 2005?Karl Rove vs. the Liberal Media…
July 18, 2005?It Just Can’t Get Much Hotter In Aruba…
July 15, 2005?Memo to a Judge
July 14, 2005?Investigating Karl Rove
July 13, 2005?Anti-American Danger
July 12, 2005?Media Coverage of the London Bombings
July 10, 2005?Failure To Deal With The Deadly Enemy
July 08, 2005?Reaction to President Bush’s Iraq Speech
June 30, 2005?On the Defensive
June 28, 2005?What you, the folks, think about Gitmo
June 24, 2005?Anti-’Factor’ Folks
June 23, 2005?The Smearing of Dick Durbin
June 22, 2005?The Truth About Hillary Clinton…
June 21, 2005?Losing the Will to Fight Terrorism
June 20, 2005?Senator Dick Durbin Slams His Own Country
June 17, 2005?What Do The New York Times & the Mafia Have In Common?
June 16, 2005?Jesse Jackson Exploiting MJ
June 15, 2005?Not Guilty!
June 14, 2005?Why America Cares About Natalee Holloway
June 10, 2005?Trouble on the Left
June 09, 2005?Giving Money To Poor Africans…
June 08, 2005?The Truth About Guantanamo Bay…
June 07, 2005?The Jackson Verdict
June 06, 2005?Miscarriage of Justice
June 03, 2005?Blowing the Whistle on Powerful People
June 02, 2005?Getting Americans Killed
June 01, 2005?Amnesty International Declares War on the USA
May 26, 2005?Do Captured Terrorists Have Rights?
May 25, 2005
No surprise, a New York chapter of the ACLU (search) is suing the police for searching bags in the subway system. We knew this would happen because the ACLU has opposed nearly every anti-terror measure authorities have come up with since 9/11.
Here’s how nuts this organization is: The ACLU opposes allowing the feds to have floating wiretaps that would monitor cell phone conversations of suspected terrorists. It opposes American civilians assisting the border patrol ? you remember the ACLU went to Arizona to monitor the Minutemen (search). It opposes profiling of suspected terrorists. It opposes military tribunals to try captured terrorists. It opposes coerced interrogations of captured terrorists. It has demanded that more pictures of Americans abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib (search) be released, knowing that would help Al Qaeda (search) recruitment.
The ACLU opposes the sharing of information about suspected terrorists and sued to stop New York state from participating in MATRIX, the Multistate Anti-terrorism Information Exchange.
“Talking Points” could go on and on, but you get the picture. If the ACLU ever wants money, it should contact the Al Qaeda fundraisers. No organization in America enables terrorism as much as the ACLU, period. It is putting your life in danger. And that is no exaggeration.
Unfortunately, there’s nothing we can do about it. No way to stop it. The ACLU operates within the law and uses the legal system to oppose the war on terror. And there are enough loony judges around to give that organization power, especially here in New York City and in San Francisco.
The only thing we can do is hold people who raise and give money to the ACLU accountable. In the weeks to come, “The Factor” will tell you who these people and organizations are, so you can decide whether or not you want to do business with them.
There are many issues I struggle with on this program, trying to decide what’s right and what’s wrong so I can present a cogent analysis to you. But the ACLU’s opposition to all anti-terror measures is not one of those issues. This is a dangerous organization. The evidence of that is overwhelming.
And that’s the Memo.
The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day
The Internet site Worldnet Daily has posted ad letter written by Senator Edward Kennedy (search) way back in 1971. The letter says that Senator Kennedy believed that a fetus was human from, “the very moment of conception.”
Well, since Senator Kennedy is one of the most ardent abortion supporters in the country, many Americans are curious about this letter. We called Senator Kennedy’s office today, and he said there’s no problem. The senator is personally against abortion, but he also wants women to have the right to choose. If this is a contradiction or not, you can decide.
If you want to see the entire text of the letter, and it’s very interesting, you can go to WorldnetDaily.com. Ridiculous? Read the letter and make the call.
?You can watch Bill O’Reilly’s “Talking Points Memo” and “Most Ridiculous Item” weeknights at 8 and 11 p.m. ET on the FOX News Channel. Send your comments to: oreilly@foxnews.com
Marie said,
August 9, 2005 at 6:21
?Over There?, it is more like Over Where?
By Tony Spain
After watching FX?s new drama about an Army Squad in Iraq called ?Over There? I concluded about the only thing they got right were the uniforms.
As someone who has been over there it was easy to see that this new show was nothing more than a well produced, visually stimulating, Steven Bochco, Hollywood creation that takes a sharp left turn from reality.
Now I understand that this is a Hollywood production and some military tactics are changed for a more dramatic effect. Which is why I am not going to mention the mistakes made in dialogue and military tactics used in the show. However, Steven Bochco?s depiction of the war scenarios and the character setups are bias and false.
Let us begin with the scenario. In FX?s ?Over There? an Army squad, lead by Sgt. Scream is dug in and holding their ground around a mosque while officers negotiate with terrorists inside. An Al Jazeera reporter is inside the mosque with terrorists broadcasting live which is the reason for the negotiations. (Al Jazeera has been kicked out of Iraq indefinitely by the Iraqi National Government by the way).
Sgt. Scream, complains that they are stuck holding their ground so some General can look good on TV. So there they are dug in for thirty six hour siege while officers in Baghdad drink their coffee in the green zone, play to the media and negotiate with terrorists.
In the real war, the commanders on the ground would have returned fire, the mosque would have been hit hard and probably destroyed before anyone could figure out what was going on. The following day, the news media would be drilling the military about how they destroyed a mosque and killed an Al Jazeera reporter. The Arab world would scream bloody murder and the anti war left would demand that Sgt. Scream and his squad be investigated for war crimes because they killed a group of surrendering terrorists.
That is what would happen in the real war, as has been shown in places like Fallujah. But showing what really happens and how the media operates in Iraq is not what Hollywood wants. To show that the military made the right decision would make the media and anti- war left look bad.
So, it seems that ?Over There? has created somewhat of a double standard or a catch 22 for the military. This double standard can only be achieved by ignoring reality. ?Over There? takes a sharp left turn from reality by portraying to the viewers an incompetent military that lacks the ability to make strong, swift, aggressive decisions in a combat zone. In reality the military does make quick, aggressive decisions only to be questioned and condemned by the news media as using excessive force. So the media will criticize you for taking action and Hollywood criticizes you for not taking action.
It also appears that Steven Bochco, like his liberal friends, believe that everyone enlists in the military to run away from some problem or ends up in the military as a last resort. Just like the left he tries to depict the military as lower class service.
Private Bo Rider was a high school football star from Texas. He got a partial scholarship to Texas A&M, but his family was too poor to afford the rest of the cost. So he joined the Army for the GI Bill. If Private Rider was good enough to get into one of the biggest powerhouses in college football on a partial scholarship he surely could have gotten a free ride from say the University of Northern Texas. The Army was hardly his last or only option.
Private Frank Dumphy, a graduate of Cornell University ends up in an infantry unit. If a soldier has the brains to graduate from Cornell then he would have scored high enough on the ASVAB test that would have put him anywhere in the Army he wanted to go. The only way that he ends up in this infantry squad is if he specifically volunteered to be there. It is never explained why he is in the infantry unit, he just claims to be stupid. It is not until the next episode that we find out he is stupid because he enlisted because of 9-11.
Private Avery King is an intelligent African American from Arkansas. He joined the Army because he was too embarrassed to go back home after failing to make a choir. It could happen I suppose, but there are hardly any African Americans in infantry units in the Army. Most avoid the infantry picking jobs that require technical training to better themselves when they become civilians again.
Private Maurice Williams is from the streets of Compton. He is in the army fighting the white man. The racist white man seems to be his main enemy in this show. I have been in the Army for 3 years and I have yet too see one problem arise from racism.
Private First Class Esmerlda Del Rio is one of two females on the show. She is in a motor transport unit and somehow always finds herself in the action. There are female soldiers who go outside the wire but most are in civil affair units. Even then females outside of the wire is rare.
Finally we have Private Brenda Mitchell. She is also in a motor transport unit who happens to be there when the action starts. Her background is really not given other than she is from a small town from Kansas. I am willing to bet if we ever find out anything about her background story it will be that she enlisted in the military because there just wasn?t any other alternatives for her.
In reality most of the infantry are white and they come from middle to upper middle class families. Approximately half of them went to college for at least a year and some even have a bachelors degree. Some left establish careers because they saw a greater cause than themselves after 9-11 and decided to do something about it like I did. I didn?t enlist to run from a problem or because I was down on my luck. I took a significant pay cut to help fight the war on terror. I enlisted because I watched our country suffer the worst attack in its history. I enlisted because I wanted to fight the war not because I wanted the college money or because the military was my last resort. Sure there are some that enlisted to get away from hardship but they are definitely not a majority.
Just like the media ?Over There? reminds us that war is hell in an over exaggerated fashion. Just like the news media it seems to me that ?Over There? is the continuous attempt to influence the American people with bad news from Iraq, even if the story line is inaccurate.
I guess I should have realized how bad it was going to be when the New York Times called it ?uncompromising? and the rest of the media followed suit.
If people want to know what it is like over there maybe they should talk to someone who has been over there. Something it appears Steven Bochco has never done and if he did he didn?t pay attention.
?Over There? a negative portrayal of our military, the war itself and it is a slap in the face and a kick in the groin to our military. So many people in our society have a hard time separating fantasy from reality and ?Over There? does nothing to help them.
?Over There?, it is more like Over Where?
I?m Tony Spain and I have been over there.
Good Night.
SADLY NO GOOD COMES OUT OF THE LEFT! OH? Did I say That? I meant The bad LEFTISTS people who need GOD need to wise up! Their minds, words are killing us! SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS!
Karl said,
August 9, 2005 at 16:20
Hey, Marie –
I need to look something up in the phonebook for Seattle, WA. Would you mind copying and pasting that into the comments section here? Thanks. Just the white pages book will be fine. Thanks again
Ukko said,
August 9, 2005 at 18:13
Marie, I really don’t know what you’re trying to do, but you definitely aren’t furthering your effort of evangelizing me.
I can’t figure out what this is supposed to mean, “Private Avery King is an intelligent African American from Arkansas.” As in, we need to qualify this with “intelligent,” because most other black Arkansans are a little slow? wtf?
Marie, if you’re sincere about witnessing for your faith, you should lie low for a year and try to learn a little more about the real message of Jesus. Here are a few hints: 1) He looked more like an Arab than like you 2) He focussed on better things than bombing Mecca and suppressing the gays.
Marie Jon' said,
August 9, 2005 at 23:18
Funds of a Bronx Youth Group Allegedly Lent to Air America
BY DAVID LOMBINO - Special to the Sun
August 1, 2005
The top executive at a Bronx youth organization said yesterday that the former director of Air America Radio received more than $800,000 in loans for himself and the radio network from the nonprofit organization while serving as its development director.
Some of the transfers, according to the president of the Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club organization’s executive committee, Jeannette Graves, occurred when the development director, Evan Montvel Cohen, who for a time served simultaneously as the liberal radio network’s director, appealed to the organization for two loans worth $35,000. Another member of the executive committee said Mr. Cohen told the executive director of the organization that he needed the money to pay for chemotherapy for himself and other medical expenses for his ill father.
Ms. Graves said that Mr. Cohen also received another $213,000 loan for Air America in a check that was approved without her authorization and stamped with an imprint of her signature, and that the club wired more than $400,000 to him without her knowledge.
Mr. Cohen, who no longer is employed by either Air America or Gloria Wise, and who has not been charged with a crime, could not be reached for comment.
Air America Radio, launched with some fanfare on March 31, 2004, is carried on dozens of stations. It probably is best known for its program host Al Franken, the liberal comedian, writer, and political gadfly.
Some of the allegations about Mr. Cohen and Air America have appeared in published reports in the past several weeks, including articles in the New York Post, the Daily News, and the Washington Times, as well as postings on Michelle Malkin’s blog and the Radio Equalizer, but Ms. Graves provided The New York Sun with much more extensive details of the allegations.
In June, the city’s Department of Investigation announced the suspension of city grants and contracts with Gloria Wise, worth millions of dollars, because of allegations, among others, that its officials had approved “significant inappropriate transactions and falsified documents that were submitted to various city agencies.”
The current parent corporation of Air America is Piquant LLC, with offices on Park Avenue. On May 24, 2004, Piquant acquired Air America from Progress Media. Piquant said in a statement last week that Progress was the entity to which the Gloria Wise loans went, and that it has been defunct since May 2004. Piquant said Mr. Cohen has not had any affiliation with the radio network since that point.
“The current owners of Air America Radio have no obligation to Progress Media’s business activities,” the statement read. “We are very disturbed that Air America Radio’s good name could be associated with a reduction in services for young people, which is why we agreed months ago to fully compensate the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club as a result of this transaction.”
Ms. Graves said Air America has agreed in writing to pay back the full amount of more than $800,000 in installments over the next two years. It is unclear whether the funds allegedly obtained from Gloria Wise were ultimately received or spent by Air America.
Ms. Graves said Gloria Wise is fully cooperating with the Department of Investigation. She said that thanks to contracts and funds secured from other entities, it is “business as usual” for all of the organization’s social programs, which serve 20,000 children, elderly residents, and people with disabilities in the Co-op City section of the Bronx.
In 2003, Gloria Wise reported receiving more than $3.7 million in government grants and more than half a million dollars in government contracts. It reported spending a total of more than $4.5 million that year.
A spokeswoman for the Department of Investigations, Emily Gest, said the organization does not comment on continuing investigations.
Mr. Cohen, 39, was co-founder of Progress Media Inc. He left Air America in May 2004 - at which time he remained in the employ of the Boys & Girls Club. In 2003, he was paid more than $74,000 as Gloria Wise’s development director, according to the organization’s filings with the Internal Revenue Service.
In telephone interviews yesterday, several members of the executive committee of Gloria Wise remembered the shock they felt learning last month about the scandal.
One member of the executive committee, Anna Capell, 80, said she feared answering the phone or attending a scheduled meeting of the committee as a result of anxiety that she would be investigated or sued.
“I’m still rocking from the experience,” Ms. Capell said.
Initially, members of the executive committee viewed Mr. Cohen fondly because he had thrown a tremendously successful fund-raising affair for Gloria Wise in Manhattan last year. They recalled being impressed by the wealthy clientele and the large sums of money he raised, according to Ms. Graves.
Because of that confidence in Mr. Cohen, she said, the executive committee approved two loans to Air America, one for $80,000 and another for $87,000.
Ms. Capell said she had met Mr. Cohen several times.
“He was very suave, a very wonderful young man. He left a very favorable impression,” she said in a telephone interview.
After the initial two loans, Ms. Graves said that just before the launch of Air America her organization lent the network another $213,000, authorized with a rubber stamp of her signature on a document she said she never saw. More recently, Ms. Graves said, Gloria Wise made a wire transfer of at least $400,000 to Air America without her knowledge.
In addition, according to Ms. Graves, the longtime executive director of Gloria Wise, Charles Rosen, later told the board he had lent an additional $35,000 of the organization’s funds to Mr. Cohen for medical expenses. According to Ms. Capell, the board member, Mr. Cohen told Mr. Rosen he needed $25,000 to pay for chemotherapy. Mr. Cohen told associates that he recovered from brain cancer, according to Ms. Capell. Later, Mr. Cohen asked for $10,000 - which he was lent - be cause his father, a businessman in Asia, was “gravely ill,” Ms. Capell said.
Ms. Graves said that she knew of the personal loans to Mr. Cohen, but that she thought they were taken from Mr. Rosen’s personal discretionary budget, “not the agency’s.”
Mr. Rosen could not be reached for comment.
Gloria Wise received personal checks in various amounts from Mr. Cohen to pay back some of the loans, but Ms. Graves said the checks did not clear. The executive committee dismissed him when members learned of some of his actions, according to another member of the executive committee, John Rose.
While she spoke critically of Mr. Cohen, Ms. Graves said she thought Mr. Rosen performed exceptionally well as the organization’s executive director. According to Ms. Graves, Mr. Rosen, 62, helped the organization’s annual budget grow from $175,000 into the millions. He recently resigned.
According to IRS filings Mr. Rosen earned nearly $148,000 in 2003 from the Gloria Wise organization for working approximately 23 hours a week as executive director. Previously, Mr. Rosen worked as a typographer for the New York Post and was active in union politics, leading a rent strike in Co-op City in the early 1970s.
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Ukko said,
August 10, 2005 at 0:33
Seb, Brad, or Gavin, is the poster above really Marie? If so, she has really lost it and is making me consider Turing machines. Her random postings here have nothing more to do with the discussion than the following does:
“When the population is normal the sampling distribution will also be normal, but the use of s to replace s is not that accurate. The smaller the sample size the worse the approximation will be. Hence we can expect that some adjustment will be made based on the sample size. The adjustment we make is that we do not use the normal curve for this approximation. Instead, we use the Student t distribution that is based on the sample size. We proceed as before, but we change the table that we use. This distribution looks like the normal distribution, but as the sample size decreases it spreads out. For large n it nearly matches the normal curve. We say that the distribution has n - 1 degrees of freedom.”
http://www.ltcconline.net/greenl/courses/201/Estimation/confIntMean.htm
Marq said,
August 10, 2005 at 5:54
Marie Jon’ os obviously trying to break the comments here at Sadly, No! by pasting in these huuuuge, gianormous articles from hither and yon. Firstly, Marie, hon’, brevity works in one’s favor in a comments section. Pasting in several-thousand-word-long articles tends to lose the audience. I know you’re reticent to simply use your own words, in fear that you’ll be mocked. but really, we’ll mock you regardless. Do not pass “go,” do not collect $200.
GregH said,
August 10, 2005 at 7:04
Hey Marq, since she won’t post original comments here any more I found this comment posted on a Live8 forum for our mocking pleasure:
God bless all these artist that took their time to help Africa. President G. W. Bush and Tony Blair are up for putting and end to the mayhem going on in Africa.
I’ll really be impressed when all of the artist get their tushes over to Iraq and Afghanistan to give the coalition troops a big extravaganza and raise some money for all of those brave men and woman that are there doing a seller job protecting America, as well as the word from terrorist. Let your politics be damed! Joan Jet plays for the troops.
Marie Jon’
http://www.PeoplePolitical.org