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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Israelis do the things they do not because they are evil Jews Zionists&lt;/i&gt;

They do the things they do because their military is a bunch of assholes, not unlike the US military.</description>
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<p>They do the things they do because their military is a bunch of assholes, not unlike the US military.</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey, can you get those at Wal*Mart?&lt;/i&gt;

Only in twelvepacks, alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey, can you get those at Wal*Mart?</i></p>
<p>Only in twelvepacks, alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorghagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snorghagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope this thread does not degenerate into a shouting match between pro-Basketball and anti-Basketball advocates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Basketballs are the teeth of Satan!</description>
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<p>Basketballs are the teeth of Satan!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sixpack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Sixpack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Joe Sixpack will...buy into the GOoPer policies&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Hey, can you get those at Wal*Mart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Joe Sixpack will&#8230;buy into the GOoPer policies&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Hey, can you get those at Wal*Mart?</p>
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		<title>By: Barrayaran</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-738011</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrayaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The BBC World Service’s reporting can be summarized thus:

“The world is a silly, mad and even dangerous place. Things were so much better when we Brits were in charge of it”.

That message ain’t nurturing terrorists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
Not even Irish ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>The BBC World Service’s reporting can be summarized thus:</p>
<p>“The world is a silly, mad and even dangerous place. Things were so much better when we Brits were in charge of it”.</p>
<p>That message ain’t nurturing terrorists.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Not even Irish ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Presumptuousness Aracelis the Gravedigger</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-738006</link>
		<dc:creator>Presumptuousness Aracelis the Gravedigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is that basketball is the greatest sport and the Final Four the best sporting event on Earth.</description>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I  hope this thread does not degenerate into a shouting match between pro-Basketball and anti-Basketball advocates.&lt;/i&gt; - Smut Clyde

Matthew Yglesias and the like are pro-Basketball and point out Obama is too.  FWIW ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I  hope this thread does not degenerate into a shouting match between pro-Basketball and anti-Basketball advocates.</i> &#8211; Smut Clyde</p>
<p>Matthew Yglesias and the like are pro-Basketball and point out Obama is too.  FWIW &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-737999</link>
		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, DAS, realists like you and me know that any sense of grievance certain people in the ME may have towards the state of Israel is completely irrational.&lt;/i&gt; - bargal20 

Actually, they are perfectly rational.  

Of course, one could argue the grievance Joe Sixpack has toward liberal cultural elites is perfectly rational (so long as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is accepted as &quot;rational&quot;) given that (Republican caused) decline in Joe Sixpack&#039;s socio-economic status immediately followed the civil rights revolution: of course, Joe Sixpack will begin to think civil rights are zero sum and buy into the GOoPer policies (the very same ones that actually screw him over) that dictate less freedom for thee means more for me.

But &quot;rational&quot; grievances&quot; still need not be nurtured and magnified with all sorts of scare and rumor mongering.

Moreover, as much as we need to be less credulous toward, e.g., US claims, that doesn&#039;t mean, for example, that the Israelis are believing so irrationally.  The Israelis do the things they do not because they are evil &lt;strike&gt;Jews&lt;/strike&gt; Zionists ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of course, DAS, realists like you and me know that any sense of grievance certain people in the ME may have towards the state of Israel is completely irrational.</i> &#8211; bargal20 </p>
<p>Actually, they are perfectly rational.  </p>
<p>Of course, one could argue the grievance Joe Sixpack has toward liberal cultural elites is perfectly rational (so long as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is accepted as &#8220;rational&#8221;) given that (Republican caused) decline in Joe Sixpack&#8217;s socio-economic status immediately followed the civil rights revolution: of course, Joe Sixpack will begin to think civil rights are zero sum and buy into the GOoPer policies (the very same ones that actually screw him over) that dictate less freedom for thee means more for me.</p>
<p>But &#8220;rational&#8221; grievances&#8221; still need not be nurtured and magnified with all sorts of scare and rumor mongering.</p>
<p>Moreover, as much as we need to be less credulous toward, e.g., US claims, that doesn&#8217;t mean, for example, that the Israelis are believing so irrationally.  The Israelis do the things they do not because they are evil <strike>Jews</strike> Zionists &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Smut Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smut Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;a former East German pro-Basketball player&lt;/i&gt;
I hope this thread does not degenerate into a shouting match between pro-Basketball and anti-Basketball advocates.</description>
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I hope this thread does not degenerate into a shouting match between pro-Basketball and anti-Basketball advocates.</p>
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		<title>By: RUGGED IN MONTANA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RUGGED IN MONTANA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We’ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.&lt;/i&gt;

Get Bloatie and the Hootfish in there to make it a trifecta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We’ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.</i></p>
<p>Get Bloatie and the Hootfish in there to make it a trifecta.</p>
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		<title>By: bargal20</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course,  DAS, realists like you and me know that any sense of grievance certain people in the ME may have towards the state of Israel is completely irrational.</description>
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		<title>By: Pere Ubu</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-737970</link>
		<dc:creator>Pere Ubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Creed do not merit an airstrike.&lt;/I&gt;

Can we just use the Conspiracy&#039;s Telsa Earthquake Machine to cause the earth to open up and swallow them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Creed do not merit an airstrike.</i></p>
<p>Can we just use the Conspiracy&#8217;s Telsa Earthquake Machine to cause the earth to open up and swallow them?</p>
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		<title>By: Tone in DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tone in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The doctrine of preemption requires an air-strike on Creed.
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Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We’ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.


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Creed do not merit an airstrike.  
On the other hand, interviews of political figures conducted by Charlie Gibson or Chris Wallace... send in the B-2s with missiles hot and take Chuck and Chris OUT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doctrine of preemption requires an air-strike on Creed.<br />
________________________________________________________<br />
Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We’ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.</p>
<p>__________________________________________________________<br />
Creed do not merit an airstrike.<br />
On the other hand, interviews of political figures conducted by Charlie Gibson or Chris Wallace&#8230; send in the B-2s with missiles hot and take Chuck and Chris OUT.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The doctrine of preemption requires an air-strike on Creed.&lt;/i&gt;

Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We&#039;ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The doctrine of preemption requires an air-strike on Creed.</i></p>
<p>Can we at least hold off until they conference with Avril Lavigne? We&#8217;ve got to save a few bucks and I figure one mission is better than two.</p>
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		<title>By: Legalize</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-737883</link>
		<dc:creator>Legalize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of great rock bands, are we gonna get a year-end thread for nerds to compose their lists of their favorite records of the year?  It&#039;s sure to keep trolls away because Ted Nugent didn&#039;t release a record this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of great rock bands, are we gonna get a year-end thread for nerds to compose their lists of their favorite records of the year?  It&#8217;s sure to keep trolls away because Ted Nugent didn&#8217;t release a record this year.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait....Jews give money to Israel?

Why woudl they do that????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230;.Jews give money to Israel?</p>
<p>Why woudl they do that????</p>
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		<title>By: WCW</title>
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		<dc:creator>WCW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The effect of Murdoch&#039;s ownership of the WSJ becomes more and more blatant lately.  It&#039;s conservatism used to be of the old-school set; now it&#039;s becoming wingnuttish.  How long before it&#039;s just FoxNews with more econ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The effect of Murdoch&#8217;s ownership of the WSJ becomes more and more blatant lately.  It&#8217;s conservatism used to be of the old-school set; now it&#8217;s becoming wingnuttish.  How long before it&#8217;s just FoxNews with more econ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dubious Efficacy</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/14731.html/comment-page-1#comment-737879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dubious Efficacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The greatest rock band name in the history of the world, Dubious Efficacy, wishes to say that the papparaz-apparatchiki is totally responsible for everyone learning about the bad stuff, because without them, no one&#039;s cellphone camera&#039;s would every download images onto the web in thousands of locations worldwide.  In the words of Claude Frollo, let&#039;s destroy the printing presses and hang the printers.  Claude Frollo belongs on the editorial page of the WSJ.  I can&#039;t believe some idiot paid billions of dollars just to run it into the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest rock band name in the history of the world, Dubious Efficacy, wishes to say that the papparaz-apparatchiki is totally responsible for everyone learning about the bad stuff, because without them, no one&#8217;s cellphone camera&#8217;s would every download images onto the web in thousands of locations worldwide.  In the words of Claude Frollo, let&#8217;s destroy the printing presses and hang the printers.  Claude Frollo belongs on the editorial page of the WSJ.  I can&#8217;t believe some idiot paid billions of dollars just to run it into the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW ... who is the singer in that picture?  She looks like a former East German pro-Basketball player that I happen to know professionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8230; who is the singer in that picture?  She looks like a former East German pro-Basketball player that I happen to know professionally.</p>
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		<title>By: DAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author, IMHO, conflates (probably on purpose) several distinct issues (and non-issues).  One is the very real tendency of some in the ME to nurture a sense of grievance against the Israelis (in a manner eerily reminiscent of a GOoPer&#039;s sense of grievance against Liebruls) and the media in some quarters of the world to repeat those grievances without any investigation as to their veracity (along the lines of some media outlets here repeating GOP propaganda as news).

Stephens here identifies here a very real problem.  A problem which, of course, applies to his paper&#039;s editorial page as much as the French media.  But it is a legitimate complaint nonetheless: media nurturing of grievances, whether it is the French media nurturing Arab grievances, the Rwandan media nurturing Hutu grievances or the Ironically-Called-Liberal-Media nurturing war-fantasizing GOoPer grievances does help fuel (respectively) terrorism, genocide and stupid wars in Iraq.

He&#039;s completely wrong about the BBC, though, for example -- the BBC World Service is not nurturing terrorist grievances.  The BBC World Service&#039;s reporting can be summarized thus:

&quot;The world is a silly, mad and even dangerous place.  Things were so much better when we Brits were in charge of it&quot;.

That message ain&#039;t nurturing terrorists.  That message (in a slightly different form) nurtures neo-imperialist neo-con fantasies amongst the twit-ocracy.

Of course, the idea that the media shouldn&#039;t be so credulous when it comes to statements made by terrorists (or, pace Stephens, the GOoPers) doesn&#039;t mean that the media should be more credulous about what the Brits, US or Israelis say.  That is just a complete (and purposeful) non-sequitor on Stephens&#039; part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author, IMHO, conflates (probably on purpose) several distinct issues (and non-issues).  One is the very real tendency of some in the ME to nurture a sense of grievance against the Israelis (in a manner eerily reminiscent of a GOoPer&#8217;s sense of grievance against Liebruls) and the media in some quarters of the world to repeat those grievances without any investigation as to their veracity (along the lines of some media outlets here repeating GOP propaganda as news).</p>
<p>Stephens here identifies here a very real problem.  A problem which, of course, applies to his paper&#8217;s editorial page as much as the French media.  But it is a legitimate complaint nonetheless: media nurturing of grievances, whether it is the French media nurturing Arab grievances, the Rwandan media nurturing Hutu grievances or the Ironically-Called-Liberal-Media nurturing war-fantasizing GOoPer grievances does help fuel (respectively) terrorism, genocide and stupid wars in Iraq.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s completely wrong about the BBC, though, for example &#8212; the BBC World Service is not nurturing terrorist grievances.  The BBC World Service&#8217;s reporting can be summarized thus:</p>
<p>&#8220;The world is a silly, mad and even dangerous place.  Things were so much better when we Brits were in charge of it&#8221;.</p>
<p>That message ain&#8217;t nurturing terrorists.  That message (in a slightly different form) nurtures neo-imperialist neo-con fantasies amongst the twit-ocracy.</p>
<p>Of course, the idea that the media shouldn&#8217;t be so credulous when it comes to statements made by terrorists (or, pace Stephens, the GOoPers) doesn&#8217;t mean that the media should be more credulous about what the Brits, US or Israelis say.  That is just a complete (and purposeful) non-sequitor on Stephens&#8217; part.</p>
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