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		<title>By: George Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22088</link>
		<dc:creator>George Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughts on Chomsky&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mekong.net/cambodia/chomsky.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pro-Khmer&lt;/a&gt; apologetics.

&lt;blockquote&gt;... Chomsky&#039;s work with regard to Cambodia has been marred by omissions, dubious statistics, and, in some cases, outright misrepresentations. On top of this, Chomsky continues to deny that he was wrong about Cambodia. He responds to criticisms by misrepresenting his own positions, misrepresenting his critics&#039; positions, and describing his detractors as morally lower than &quot;neo-Nazis and neo-Stalinists.&quot;(2) Consequently, his refusal to reconsider his words has led to continued misinterpretations of what really happened in Cambodia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From Keith Windshuttle writing in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cis.org.au/policy/winter03/polwin03-6.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Policy Magazine&lt;/a&gt; we have

&lt;blockquote&gt;Although information was hard to come by, Chomsky suggested in an article in 1977 that post-war Cambodia was probably similar to France after liberation at the end of World War II when thousands of enemy collaborators were massacred within a few months. This was to be expected, he said, and was a small price to pay for the positive outcomes of the new government of Pol Pot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/e-asia/ch-kh-chron.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interesting chronology&lt;/a&gt; of Chomsky&#039;s Cambodian views.

Or just check the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Cambodia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia entry&lt;/a&gt; on Noam Chomsky&#039;s views on Cambodia.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Christopher Hitchens, who once defended Chomsky against charges of being a Pol Pot apologist in a 1985 article titled The Chorus and the Cassandra, has since changed his mind on the subject. He believes that Chomsky and others on the far left have become so determined to decry American policies that they are willing to overlook the true nature of America&#039;s enemies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You could just try Google.  Chomsky&#039;s support for the Khmer Rouge is a rather famous position.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts on Chomsky&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mekong.net/cambodia/chomsky.htm" rel="nofollow">pro-Khmer</a> apologetics.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; Chomsky&#8217;s work with regard to Cambodia has been marred by omissions, dubious statistics, and, in some cases, outright misrepresentations. On top of this, Chomsky continues to deny that he was wrong about Cambodia. He responds to criticisms by misrepresenting his own positions, misrepresenting his critics&#8217; positions, and describing his detractors as morally lower than &#8220;neo-Nazis and neo-Stalinists.&#8221;(2) Consequently, his refusal to reconsider his words has led to continued misinterpretations of what really happened in Cambodia.</p></blockquote>
<p>From Keith Windshuttle writing in <a href="http://www.cis.org.au/policy/winter03/polwin03-6.htm" rel="nofollow">Policy Magazine</a> we have</p>
<blockquote><p>Although information was hard to come by, Chomsky suggested in an article in 1977 that post-war Cambodia was probably similar to France after liberation at the end of World War II when thousands of enemy collaborators were massacred within a few months. This was to be expected, he said, and was a small price to pay for the positive outcomes of the new government of Pol Pot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/e-asia/ch-kh-chron.html" rel="nofollow">interesting chronology</a> of Chomsky&#8217;s Cambodian views.</p>
<p>Or just check the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky#Cambodia" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia entry</a> on Noam Chomsky&#8217;s views on Cambodia.</p>
<blockquote><p>Christopher Hitchens, who once defended Chomsky against charges of being a Pol Pot apologist in a 1985 article titled The Chorus and the Cassandra, has since changed his mind on the subject. He believes that Chomsky and others on the far left have become so determined to decry American policies that they are willing to overlook the true nature of America&#8217;s enemies.</p></blockquote>
<p>You could just try Google.  Chomsky&#8217;s support for the Khmer Rouge is a rather famous position.</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22087</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s petty to just pick out one tangent from George&#039;s shower of horseshit, but:

&lt;em&gt;Noam Chomsky, dean of anti-Imperialist anti-Americans, was a wild supporter of Pol Pot&#039;s Khmer Rouge,&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s utter crap, unless George has access to a special dictionary with definitions for &quot;wild&quot; and &quot;supporter&quot; that I&#039;ve never before seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s petty to just pick out one tangent from George&#8217;s shower of horseshit, but:</p>
<p><em>Noam Chomsky, dean of anti-Imperialist anti-Americans, was a wild supporter of Pol Pot&#8217;s Khmer Rouge,</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s utter crap, unless George has access to a special dictionary with definitions for &#8220;wild&#8221; and &#8220;supporter&#8221; that I&#8217;ve never before seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Pulpit</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22086</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Pulpit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only Typekey-guarded lefty site that I know of is Pandagon, and as far as I know, they put up that wall because of one or two super-persistent needlers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politicalpuzzle.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Site&lt;/a&gt; has Typekey enabled, but not required yet.  Another site that I administer, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liberaltopia.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liberaltopia&lt;/a&gt;, had to go to Typekey because it was constantly getting hit with SPAM, regardless of Blacklist.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think formatting buttons would be great. Thanks!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you are interested, you can contact my through my site.  I can also install Gravatars if you want them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only Typekey-guarded lefty site that I know of is Pandagon, and as far as I know, they put up that wall because of one or two super-persistent needlers. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.politicalpuzzle.org" rel="nofollow">My Site</a> has Typekey enabled, but not required yet.  Another site that I administer, <a href="http://www.liberaltopia.org" rel="nofollow">Liberaltopia</a>, had to go to Typekey because it was constantly getting hit with SPAM, regardless of Blacklist.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think formatting buttons would be great. Thanks!</p></blockquote>
<p>If you are interested, you can contact my through my site.  I can also install Gravatars if you want them.</p>
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		<title>By: Yosef</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22085</link>
		<dc:creator>Yosef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I don&#039;t know a whole lot about Orwell, but from reading that comment of his about pacifists, one phrase stands out to me: &quot;pro-Nazi.&quot; What this says to me is he was talking about a specific situation and time period. WWII needed to be fought, and once the majority of the people realized that, people who objected were the pacifists to which Orwell refers (with the exception of certain religious groups such as Quakers where one of the tenets, I believe, is to be pacifist.) So that statement by Orwell actually has no relevance in the current debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t know a whole lot about Orwell, but from reading that comment of his about pacifists, one phrase stands out to me: &#8220;pro-Nazi.&#8221; What this says to me is he was talking about a specific situation and time period. WWII needed to be fought, and once the majority of the people realized that, people who objected were the pacifists to which Orwell refers (with the exception of certain religious groups such as Quakers where one of the tenets, I believe, is to be pacifist.) So that statement by Orwell actually has no relevance in the current debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think formatting buttons would be great. Thanks!

Seb is the site owner here; Brad and I just play drums and bass, as it were. He also has a new baby, so the time he spends on Sadly biz is quite limited for the time being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think formatting buttons would be great. Thanks!</p>
<p>Seb is the site owner here; Brad and I just play drums and bass, as it were. He also has a new baby, so the time he spends on Sadly biz is quite limited for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin M.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22083</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, we rarely get trolls. Occasionally a big site will link to one of our posts and there&#039;ll be a Dumbo Drop, but the regulars here beat the shit out of them and they never come back.

The only Typekey-guarded lefty site that I know of is Pandagon, and as far as I know, they put up that wall because of one or two super-persistent needlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, we rarely get trolls. Occasionally a big site will link to one of our posts and there&#8217;ll be a Dumbo Drop, but the regulars here beat the shit out of them and they never come back.</p>
<p>The only Typekey-guarded lefty site that I know of is Pandagon, and as far as I know, they put up that wall because of one or two super-persistent needlers.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Pulpit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Pulpit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I mispoke in my last comment.  This IS the new version with the Typekey tags either stripped out or deactivated.  My bad.

BTW:  You really could use some text formatting buttons here.  I could send you the script if you want them.  It is a simple install.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I mispoke in my last comment.  This IS the new version with the Typekey tags either stripped out or deactivated.  My bad.</p>
<p>BTW:  You really could use some text formatting buttons here.  I could send you the script if you want them.  It is a simple install.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Pulpit</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22081</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Pulpit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Typekey registration is required for commenting on this site. If you do not already have a Typekey, you can register for one at www.typekey.com. It is a fairly painless process, and no animals will be gratuitously hurt in the process. All information is private and will not be shared with anyone -- we promise.

(LOL eh Ashcroft?)

They don&#039;t even have the trust to take anonymous comments. What are they afraid of, truth?
This seems to be the difference between conservative and liberal. If ya can&#039;t stand the heat, get outta the kitchen!

Piece of shit website; but I won&#039;t tell anyone............promise! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair, I am the one who wrote that Typekey statement.  Since the owner of THIS site has an older version of Movable Type, you don&#039;t get to &quot;experience&quot; the security features of the newer version.

There is a reason why Misha went to registered comments through Typekey. The main reason is that it blocks all attempts at comment-SPAM.  But there were other problems with people &quot;spoofing&quot; other commenters to the point that it was getting out of hand to control any other way.

I work on all sorts of Movable Type blogs -- Liberal, Conservative, foreign, -- it doesn&#039;t matter to me that I might disagree with 90 percent of the comments on a particular site.  I just enjoy the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Typekey registration is required for commenting on this site. If you do not already have a Typekey, you can register for one at <a href="http://www.typekey.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.typekey.com</a>. It is a fairly painless process, and no animals will be gratuitously hurt in the process. All information is private and will not be shared with anyone &#8212; we promise.</p>
<p>(LOL eh Ashcroft?)</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t even have the trust to take anonymous comments. What are they afraid of, truth?<br />
This seems to be the difference between conservative and liberal. If ya can&#8217;t stand the heat, get outta the kitchen!</p>
<p>Piece of shit website; but I won&#8217;t tell anyone&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;promise! </p></blockquote>
<p>To be fair, I am the one who wrote that Typekey statement.  Since the owner of THIS site has an older version of Movable Type, you don&#8217;t get to &#8220;experience&#8221; the security features of the newer version.</p>
<p>There is a reason why Misha went to registered comments through Typekey. The main reason is that it blocks all attempts at comment-SPAM.  But there were other problems with people &#8220;spoofing&#8221; other commenters to the point that it was getting out of hand to control any other way.</p>
<p>I work on all sorts of Movable Type blogs &#8212; Liberal, Conservative, foreign, &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t matter to me that I might disagree with 90 percent of the comments on a particular site.  I just enjoy the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin M.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22080</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah, you should be careful who you invite to your BBQ, Gavin, because you might have a crack-running gangsta pimp show up...&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Stereotype much?&lt;/i&gt;

This is like one of those primitive 1993 Usenet discussions, where you&#039;d be all like, &quot;Dude, if you&#039;d stop twisting what I originally said...&quot; And the other guy would be like, &quot;You are trying to change the subject. You have proven with your own words that you are a Stalinist Nazi Collectivist.&quot; 

&lt;i&gt;An Afghan is not only a native of Afghanistan, aka an Afghanistani, but also one of the languages there.&lt;/i&gt;

...And as we know, those vintage Usenet discussions were liable to collapse into sematics. 

&lt;i&gt;An Afghani is what an Afghan puts in his wallet, currently trading at 43 Afghani to the US Dollar.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Use Google.&lt;/i&gt;

If I do, will I find that you&#039;re more correct, or that I am?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yeah, you should be careful who you invite to your BBQ, Gavin, because you might have a crack-running gangsta pimp show up&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>Stereotype much?</i></p>
<p>This is like one of those primitive 1993 Usenet discussions, where you&#8217;d be all like, &#8220;Dude, if you&#8217;d stop twisting what I originally said&#8230;&#8221; And the other guy would be like, &#8220;You are trying to change the subject. You have proven with your own words that you are a Stalinist Nazi Collectivist.&#8221; </p>
<p><i>An Afghan is not only a native of Afghanistan, aka an Afghanistani, but also one of the languages there.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;And as we know, those vintage Usenet discussions were liable to collapse into sematics. </p>
<p><i>An Afghani is what an Afghan puts in his wallet, currently trading at 43 Afghani to the US Dollar.</i></p>
<p><i>Use Google.</i></p>
<p>If I do, will I find that you&#8217;re more correct, or that I am?</p>
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		<title>By: George Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22079</link>
		<dc:creator>George Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you should be careful who you invite to your BBQ, Gavin, because you might have a crack-running gangsta pimp show up...

Stereotype much?

An Afghan is not only a native of Afghanistan, aka an Afghanistani, but also one of the languages there.

An Afghan&lt;b&gt;i&lt;/b&gt; is what an Afghan puts in his wallet, currently trading at 43 Afghani to the US Dollar.

Use Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you should be careful who you invite to your BBQ, Gavin, because you might have a crack-running gangsta pimp show up&#8230;</p>
<p>Stereotype much?</p>
<p>An Afghan is not only a native of Afghanistan, aka an Afghanistani, but also one of the languages there.</p>
<p>An Afghan<b>i</b> is what an Afghan puts in his wallet, currently trading at 43 Afghani to the US Dollar.</p>
<p>Use Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin M.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22078</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey, you&#039;re the Balm of Gilead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey, you&#8217;re the Balm of Gilead.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin M.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22077</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to understand George&#039;s latest exegesis, but the arguments are even wilder than the last one. Perhaps one passage can stand in for the whole.  

&lt;i&gt;Gavin continues with the notion of democracy in Afghanistan is beyond laughable and calls them sociopaths with automatic weapons.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, like you&#039;d invite a crew of battle-hardened, opium-trafficking, slave-trading Afghan Muslims over for a 4th of July barbecue. Just your kind of guys. 

&lt;i&gt;Yepper, you libs have great faith in little brown people. Oops. Afghans aren&#039;t brown?&lt;/i&gt; 

[???]

I think he means &#039;Afghanis,&#039; anyway. Not the dog or the blanket-type object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to understand George&#8217;s latest exegesis, but the arguments are even wilder than the last one. Perhaps one passage can stand in for the whole.  </p>
<p><i>Gavin continues with the notion of democracy in Afghanistan is beyond laughable and calls them sociopaths with automatic weapons.</i></p>
<p>Sure, like you&#8217;d invite a crew of battle-hardened, opium-trafficking, slave-trading Afghan Muslims over for a 4th of July barbecue. Just your kind of guys. </p>
<p><i>Yepper, you libs have great faith in little brown people. Oops. Afghans aren&#8217;t brown?</i> </p>
<p>[???]</p>
<p>I think he means &#8216;Afghanis,&#8217; anyway. Not the dog or the blanket-type object.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22076</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m late, but.. &lt;i&gt; And you&#039;re searching Google to define &#039;square&#039; and &#039;aluminum&#039; and getting a headache, and I&#039;m sitting back with my feet up, whistling.&lt;/i&gt;

I just had to tell you that I love you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m late, but.. <i> And you&#8217;re searching Google to define &#8216;square&#8217; and &#8216;aluminum&#8217; and getting a headache, and I&#8217;m sitting back with my feet up, whistling.</i></p>
<p>I just had to tell you that I love you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad R.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22075</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carleton-
Yeah, but Noam Chomsky!  Ramsey Clark!!! ;-)</description>
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Yeah, but Noam Chomsky!  Ramsey Clark!!! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Carleton Wu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carleton Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,
If your working definition of &quot;pacifist&quot; = &quot;someone who did not support the Iraqi War&quot;? It certainly sounds like it.
If so, you may be interested to learn that this is not the actual definition of the word. Right-wingers are so fond of redefining words, I know, but if you&#039;re going to play with the folks outside of your little sandbox, you need to use the accetped definitions of words.
If you think you&#039;re using the accepted definition, you&#039;re not- opposition to one war on non-pacificistic grounds does not make one a pacifist. For example, I would oppose an invasion  of Mexico, because I think it&#039;s a really stupid idea. 
Is that confusing? The Orwell bomb only works against *actual pacifists*, not just people who happen to disagree with you about any given war decision.

&quot;with 400,000 found in his mass graves&quot; - if only the heroes of the right wing hadn&#039;t been shaking his hand &amp; selling him weapons while this was occuirring... or, maybe you&#039;d like to offer a condemnation of Reagan and Rummy for not just failing to overthrow Saddam, but actually playing nice with him?

I love the last paragraph of your response btw, it&#039;s like a window into your pathology- doesn&#039;t matter what the subject is, once you get stumped you end up on a non sequitur rant against socialists &amp;/or pacifists. It&#039;s like 6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon...
(Why, Orwell *was* a socialist! What am I to do? Wait, Orwell once wrote something bad about the fascist Mussolini, who had been a *Socialist* at one time. Point for me!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,<br />
If your working definition of &#8220;pacifist&#8221; = &#8220;someone who did not support the Iraqi War&#8221;? It certainly sounds like it.<br />
If so, you may be interested to learn that this is not the actual definition of the word. Right-wingers are so fond of redefining words, I know, but if you&#8217;re going to play with the folks outside of your little sandbox, you need to use the accetped definitions of words.<br />
If you think you&#8217;re using the accepted definition, you&#8217;re not- opposition to one war on non-pacificistic grounds does not make one a pacifist. For example, I would oppose an invasion  of Mexico, because I think it&#8217;s a really stupid idea.<br />
Is that confusing? The Orwell bomb only works against *actual pacifists*, not just people who happen to disagree with you about any given war decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;with 400,000 found in his mass graves&#8221; &#8211; if only the heroes of the right wing hadn&#8217;t been shaking his hand &amp; selling him weapons while this was occuirring&#8230; or, maybe you&#8217;d like to offer a condemnation of Reagan and Rummy for not just failing to overthrow Saddam, but actually playing nice with him?</p>
<p>I love the last paragraph of your response btw, it&#8217;s like a window into your pathology- doesn&#8217;t matter what the subject is, once you get stumped you end up on a non sequitur rant against socialists &amp;/or pacifists. It&#8217;s like 6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon&#8230;<br />
(Why, Orwell *was* a socialist! What am I to do? Wait, Orwell once wrote something bad about the fascist Mussolini, who had been a *Socialist* at one time. Point for me!)</p>
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		<title>By: Brad R.`</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22073</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad R.`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: &quot;I didn&#039;t buy Bush&#039;s claim that Saddam Hussein WAS as big a threat to national security as he&#039;d claimed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: &#8220;I didn&#8217;t buy Bush&#8217;s claim that Saddam Hussein WAS as big a threat to national security as he&#8217;d claimed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad R.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22072</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;After that, the Stalinist pacifists at Pacifica were pushed out by the Maoist pacifists, and they were the ones who ran the Vietnam protests. I used to have lunch with one of the Berkeley protest leaders, an avowed communist who reveled in his glory days. Moving forward, the head of International ANSWER, Brian Becker, is an officer of the Worker&#039;s World Party and a staunch supporter of Kim Jong-il in North Korea. Noam Chomsky, dean of anti-Imperialist anti-Americans, was a wild supporter of Pol Pot&#039;s Khmer Rouge, and to this day he hasn&#039;t changed his tune, except for admitting that they may have committed a few excesses.&lt;/em&gt;

I love being told who my personal heroes are.  If I am against the war in Iraq, then I am apparently in the same league as Chomsky and and the loons at ANSWER.  It can never be that I didn&#039;t buy Bush&#039;s claim that Saddam Hussein wasn&#039;t as big a threat to national security as he&#039;d claimed, no, it must be because I&#039;m a Chomskyite pacifist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>After that, the Stalinist pacifists at Pacifica were pushed out by the Maoist pacifists, and they were the ones who ran the Vietnam protests. I used to have lunch with one of the Berkeley protest leaders, an avowed communist who reveled in his glory days. Moving forward, the head of International ANSWER, Brian Becker, is an officer of the Worker&#8217;s World Party and a staunch supporter of Kim Jong-il in North Korea. Noam Chomsky, dean of anti-Imperialist anti-Americans, was a wild supporter of Pol Pot&#8217;s Khmer Rouge, and to this day he hasn&#8217;t changed his tune, except for admitting that they may have committed a few excesses.</em></p>
<p>I love being told who my personal heroes are.  If I am against the war in Iraq, then I am apparently in the same league as Chomsky and and the loons at ANSWER.  It can never be that I didn&#8217;t buy Bush&#8217;s claim that Saddam Hussein wasn&#8217;t as big a threat to national security as he&#8217;d claimed, no, it must be because I&#8217;m a Chomskyite pacifist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad R.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22071</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;There is a reason that many people loathe our domestic pacifists as much as Nazis. They bend over backwards to argue that it&#039;s wrong to topple a dictator who&#039;s blamed for about a million deaths, with 400,000 found in his mass graves, who took shots at US aircraft just about every week, and had horribly corrupted the United Nations with illegal kickbacks and bribes.&lt;/em&gt;

OK, then let&#039;s go to Iran next.  Or North Korea.  Heck, pick just about any tin-pot hell-hole in the world that&#039;s slaughtering people.  See, I&#039;m one of those crazy people who doesn&#039;t think you should go to war except:

a.) In self-defense
b.) To stop a real genocide (see: Sudan, Rwanda)

Just being oppressive doesn&#039;t cut it.  If you really, really wanted to find a country that:

a.) Is an active supporter of al-Qaeda
b.) Is close to developing nuclear weapons
c.) Is just as nasty and repressive as Saddam&#039;s regime (and has much, much closer ties to radical Islam)

I&#039;d reccommend Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There is a reason that many people loathe our domestic pacifists as much as Nazis. They bend over backwards to argue that it&#8217;s wrong to topple a dictator who&#8217;s blamed for about a million deaths, with 400,000 found in his mass graves, who took shots at US aircraft just about every week, and had horribly corrupted the United Nations with illegal kickbacks and bribes.</em></p>
<p>OK, then let&#8217;s go to Iran next.  Or North Korea.  Heck, pick just about any tin-pot hell-hole in the world that&#8217;s slaughtering people.  See, I&#8217;m one of those crazy people who doesn&#8217;t think you should go to war except:</p>
<p>a.) In self-defense<br />
b.) To stop a real genocide (see: Sudan, Rwanda)</p>
<p>Just being oppressive doesn&#8217;t cut it.  If you really, really wanted to find a country that:</p>
<p>a.) Is an active supporter of al-Qaeda<br />
b.) Is close to developing nuclear weapons<br />
c.) Is just as nasty and repressive as Saddam&#8217;s regime (and has much, much closer ties to radical Islam)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d reccommend Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad R.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22070</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That&#039;s the reality of what could happen, exactly as had occurred in Fallujah, but then whining pacifists always did think reality was a &quot;strawman&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;

Ahem.  Awful reasoning.

The &quot;strawman&quot; I pointed out was that you suggested:

a.) I was a pacifist
b.) I wanted to let Iraq sink into a tribal hellhole.

If we just pulled up our stakes right now and left, yes, that could really happen.  But I do not advocate pulling up our stakes and leaving.

I&#039;d rather we set a list of specific goals that, after met, we could begin to draw down our troops levels.  That is not a &quot;time-table for withdrawal,&quot; it is an &quot;exit strategy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That&#8217;s the reality of what could happen, exactly as had occurred in Fallujah, but then whining pacifists always did think reality was a &#8220;strawman&#8221;.</em></p>
<p>Ahem.  Awful reasoning.</p>
<p>The &#8220;strawman&#8221; I pointed out was that you suggested:</p>
<p>a.) I was a pacifist<br />
b.) I wanted to let Iraq sink into a tribal hellhole.</p>
<p>If we just pulled up our stakes right now and left, yes, that could really happen.  But I do not advocate pulling up our stakes and leaving.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather we set a list of specific goals that, after met, we could begin to draw down our troops levels.  That is not a &#8220;time-table for withdrawal,&#8221; it is an &#8220;exit strategy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rgathman</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/1465.html#comment-22069</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, we don&#039;t want fanatical theocrats to take over the government of Iraq. Far better to have Badr members, trained under Khomenei in the 80s, whose first act was to apologize to Iran for the Iraq-Iran war (remember, the one where Reagan shot down Iranian planes and such, protecting Iraqi shipping).
The pathetic nature of Bush zombie crowd is a never failing wonder. 

...But one thing the President got right -- in the seventies. He didn&#039;t sign up to go to Vietnam, because he knew that was a screwed up war. Discourage anybody who is considering going to Iraq with the Prez&#039;s nifty example. Squeeze the military recruitment numbers until the criminals running the place say ouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we don&#8217;t want fanatical theocrats to take over the government of Iraq. Far better to have Badr members, trained under Khomenei in the 80s, whose first act was to apologize to Iran for the Iraq-Iran war (remember, the one where Reagan shot down Iranian planes and such, protecting Iraqi shipping).<br />
The pathetic nature of Bush zombie crowd is a never failing wonder. </p>
<p>&#8230;But one thing the President got right &#8212; in the seventies. He didn&#8217;t sign up to go to Vietnam, because he knew that was a screwed up war. Discourage anybody who is considering going to Iraq with the Prez&#8217;s nifty example. Squeeze the military recruitment numbers until the criminals running the place say ouch.</p>
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