Granted, G. Gordon Liddy is an unrepentant asshat and deserves to be buried upside-down in a vat of his own horseshit.

That doesn’t make McCain any more of a traitor for having known and used him for self promotion than Rev. Wright makes Obama a black separatist muslim whitey-h8ter.

Politicians crawl into bed with all sorts of seedy characters. It doesn’t pay to get your knickers in a bunch over a 40-years past his prime pseudo-nazi. Want to bash McSame? Pick any of his policy positions and go to town. Start with how he wants to put us further into hock with China or wants to stay in Iraq until “victory”, whatever that is, is achieved or how he was against financial industry before he was for it or…

You get my drift. Liddy’s a sideshow, a distraction, at best. Eyes on the prize, please.

A timely reminder that the GOP being the “Eats-Babies-Alive-&-Giggles-About-It Party” wasn’t invented by either Pappy OR Junior Shrub, nor by Ronnie Raygun.

Straight truth – these scum thought that anybody “corrupting American children” via bags of weak weed, or via letting some of America’s vast collection of ugly historical/political skeletons out of the closet … or simply via being in the way of business-as-usual “Anti-Communism” at the wrong time … was Unlebenswerten, & thus as disposable as used Charmin.

Classic nativist fascism in action: in the world of Nixons, Bushes, Norths, Liddys & Cheneys, laws are simply customized choke-chains for the Tribe Of Just Plain Folks – whereas we are above such trivial matters, being chosen by destiny to hoard the one true virtue, Power.

The consistently shite track-record of an ideology modeled after a ziggurat means nothing to them, because the media is a docile bitch who’ll give reality an extreme makeover that’s just convincing enough for just long enough for just enough of the Tribe Of Just Plain Folks to forget just enough of it for them to recycle it.*

Liddy’s reaction to Valerie Plame’s outing proves that he has no more claim to worthwhile ethics than any child-pimp. Blowing her cover very likely lead to deaths, both foreign & American – up to & including deaths of CIA staff, & that bloviating old cretin knows it.

Liddy believes he’s a neocon Ninja, when in fact he’s more like Barnum’s Wild Man Of Borneo, glad to bite the heads off of chickens (or set himself on fire) … just as long as his handlers keep him relatively well-off.

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* Yikes! Does the bottom half of this sentence crawl up its own hole hard, or what?

Magruder: “(Liddy) came back in, and I said, ‘Gordon, I was just talking off the cuff. I wasn’t serious.’ Liddy looked at me with that sort of macho look and said, “NEVER GIVE AN ORDER YOU DON’T MEAN, ‘CAUSE I’LL DO IT!”

It would seem the only language our enemies understand is passive aggression.

“Wouldn’t it be good if we could get rid of Jack Anderson,” Magruder said.

Liddy immediately charged out of Magruder’s office, and ran into Magruder aide Rob Reisner, who asked Liddy where he was going in such a hurry.

Cut to Liddy, who told the filmmakers, “Jeb just told me to take care of Jack Anderson. I am to kill Jack Anderson. I am on my way to kill Jack Anderson!”

Reisner went straight to Magruder and asked him, “Did you just tell (Liddy) to rub out Jack Anderson?”

Magruder: “(Liddy) came back in, and I said, ‘Gordon, I was just talking off the cuff. I wasn’t serious.’ Liddy looked at me with that sort of macho look and said, “NEVER GIVE AN ORDER YOU DON’T MEAN, ‘CAUSE I’LL DO IT!”

That was Magruder’s story, anyway.

But of course both sides of the political spectrum need their faux villains to scare up the ignorant.

In fact, it was the Okhrana that essentially produced the Western concept of domestic police limitations – importing Okhrana methods for interrogation, agent-breaking, and other nasty shit essentially destroyed the moral legitimacy of the reaction against women’s suffrage and unionization, and one of the few remotely admirable planks of the capital-P Progressive movement involved lumping torture, disappearing, and other routine Okhrana-style practices into ‘corruption’ which they sought to eliminate from the domestic bureaucracy. The FBI was, in great part, established under the conviction that the Union could handle major interstate crime without replicating the secret police of the Tsar or the Kaiser; it was basically the first federal police force that acted like a federal police force rather than behaving like a special brigade of the Army.

SAY IT.

What he meant to say was, “I’ve had enough of playing Randall “Tex” Cobb to Alec’s Larry Holmes, so instead I’ll pretend like I’m too “above it all” to debate with him. Hopefully a few new threads will start and all of this ugliness will be forgotten.”

There’s nothing in alec’s post worth refuting. He thinks that because I made the simple mistake of confusing the SA with the SS and the Cheka with the KGB, that my point is somehow invalid.

You’re making sweeping historical analogies to hot-button policies. It’s a miracle you managed to actually keep straight which was which.

Can you tell me what the Gestapo actually did? Can you tell me who headed it, what its relationship was to Hitler, the Nazi Party, the German federal police – hell, what the German federal police were called?

Can you even tell me what year the SS replaced the SA? You seem to believe it was part of a continuous perfidious plot by Hitler to seize absolute control over a supremely unwilling Germany; that Hitler had already (a) won enough elections to dominate the governing coalition, (b) been awarded sweeping powers by the Imperial holdovers on the German right who were supposed to uphold democratic institutions; and (c) used the Reichstag Fire as a pretext to place the entire German state under his personal control long before the SS even overtook the remainder of the SA is unimportant to you, nor is sorting out that the ‘secret police’ in Germany weren’t even the fucking SS.

Go on, tell me who the secret police were in Germany, who formed them, and how they did it. The answer is not “the SS, Hitler, Bolshevism”. It is not even close.

You can futter with ideology all you like, but you’re dealing with actual, documented history. You’re subject to the tyranny of fact over ideas; mistaking the SA for the SS is middle-school-level shit and mistaking either for the Gestapo – let alone presuming that Stalin established the Cheka (or had anything to do with ‘the KGB’ – which has an organizational history beginning several years after Stalin’s death) – is pretty fatal to your argument ‘community organizer + black = Marxism’. Doesn’t fucking work that way.

And, btw, if Obama meant for this “civilian security force” to merely be a domestic version of the peace corps, than why did he call it a “civilian security force?”

Who said it was a domestic version of the Peace Corps? The ‘civilian security force’ suggested is a product of the United States’s continuing engagement with forces outside of our borders; besides a modern equivalent of the NRA – a well-documented campaign plank, entirely separate from the purely peacekeeping and exterior force brought up under ‘civilian security force’.

Besides which, you know what? This is asinine. The United States has the largest internal black budget on Earth. The CIA has been operating within our borders for decades and the formation of the DHS has completely compromised whatever institutional integrity the FBI had left. You want to talk about a fucking secret police force? Your golden boy produced one. No oversight – no financial stricture – and increasingly minimal legal limits.

Oh, but when Bush asks for unlimited power to spy on people within the United States, he’s fighting terrorism, right? When Congress repeatedly denies even the most threadbare openness provisions, that’s making the tough calls we need to keep safe. Hiring a bunch of kids who no longer want to join the army to plant a few trees, now that’s tyranny!

Jesus Christ. You have no idea what you’re talking about – you don’t even have the basic beginnings of an idea you suggested you had when you threw around borrowed acronyms. They got libraries where you come from? I’d recommend you pick up where Daddy left off. Hop On Pop would be a good start.

Trying to remember what they did to us that might warrant some legitimate self-righteousness about “minding their own business” …

Anyway, it all seems rather pathological that we humans invest so much time, effort, and money into ratfucking other people, or trying to avoid being ratfucked by other people. What a silly way to live.

And, btw, if Obama meant for this “civilian security force” to merely be a domestic version of the peace corps, than why did he call it a “civilian security force?” Why not call it the domestic peace corps? He shouldn’t have thrown the word security in there if this new agency wouldn’t have any police powers.

What RIMjob meant to say was: “I’m not going to address Alec’s post, since he is clearly my intellectual superior. I will not try to refute any point he made, because I have been exposed as a dumbass.

Now, Europe blah blah blah ACORN communism Obama blah blah blah…dictatorship…”

Geez…If Obama’s a Marxist AND a Bolshevik, he’ll have to shoot HIMSELF and then hang himself upside down. As for the whole “civilian security force” thing… It’s hard to tell just what the hell Obama was talking about from the 21 second bit on YouTube, and it doesn’t seem that anyone has asked him to explain the concept further. What I thought he was proposing was putting together teams of civilian experts in technical and civil administration that would accompany military units in the event that they were deployed overseas, so we wouldn’t have to rely on the military do do things they weren’t trained to do, like managing the post war screwup in Iraq. Of course, my paranoid bedwetting sensibilities aren’t as highly developed as they are in your average wingnut (yes, Rugged, I’m looking at YOU), and I’m almost positive that, if Obama had plans for a Blackwater-like civilian security force to enslave us all, he probably wouldn’t telegraph his intentions by allowing his speeches to be recorded and put up on YouTube. So, sleep well tonight, Rugged…if you’re not guilty of anything, you have nothing to fear.

My understanding, or at least the understanding I took away from the 30 minute clip, is that he wants to create a civilian disaster response organisation to reduce the demand on the military having to respond to disasters like Katrina and 9/11.

I for one am looking foward to the reactions of the eurotrash when McCain is elected, and the American people finally once and for all show them what we think of their worthless opinion.