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Michael Hussein Dukakis
The McCain-Palin campaign is getting a lot nastier. This losing strategy of riling up the base and alienating undecideds reeks of a desperation, not to make a last push towards victory, but rather to raise enough money before election day in a last-gasp effort to pay the campaign’s bills.
Meanwhile, many have noted the race-baiting similarities with George H.W. Bush’s notorious ‘Willie Horton’ ad that helped torpedo Michael Dukakis’ presidential bid. Rest assured that Ace O’ Spades doesn’t like those similarities either — he wants to dredge up the original smear:
On the other hand, the issue inherently underscores a major tension between the parties, and the races, since 1998: The Democrats’ overarching drive to do certifiably insane things, like letting murderers out on weekend furloughs from prison, in response to constant agitation from minority pressure groups.
We are so gonna party like it’s 1988.
El Cid said,
October 10, 2008 at 17:56
I thought we were already partying like it’s 1929.
tigrismus said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:01
riling up the base
The basest of the base, my husband called it.
DragonScholar said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:05
Translation: “We got nothing to run on at all, so here’s some things to hate.”
I actually never thought about the fact that the final hate-rally’s are to help pay the bills, or that’s at least part of the motivation.
I DO think that Palin is using this to set herself up as a right-wing figure. She’ll probably try to run for Congress next, look for book deals, etc. To do that she needs to really rile the base, and she’s good at that.
However, judging by the reactions I see from male right-wingers, this is only going to be effective as long as she remains cute and chirpy. In 3-8 years, they’ll forget her as she ages.
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:07
No one would ever suggest letting murderers out of jail for weekend rape-fests if almost all prisoners were white. Ace
After I close Ace’s homepage window, a burning cross remains on my screen.
Strange.
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:10
I can’t wait to see the McCain campaign’s Jack Chick style comic like George Wallace’s.
Legalize said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:10
I can’t believe that the wingers actually contemplate an upside in all of this shit. They really believe that Obama is a thug, and how dare he call out sweet old war hero McCain for not calling him names to his face. They seriously believe that if McCain goes after Obama for Ayers and or Wright at the next debate, that Obama won’t be ready for it, and that he will back away or it will throw him off his game.
They don’t really care about the result. They just wanna see old man McCain call Obama a terrorist on television. These are very sick individuals and I hope than none of them get loose from their handlers and harm anyone - Obama or anyone else.
When these pieces of shit are yelling “kill him” at Palin’s little Nuremberg rallies, things change.
Joe Max said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:13
Good point. Most losing campaigns end up in the red (viz: Clinton). I wonder how many of “The Base”, particularly the suppliers, caterers, drivers, IT businesses, etc. are going to be screwed come Nov. 5th?
Clinton actually did manage to raise money after the primary to pay her bills, and Obama helped her out. McSame can look for no such help from anybody, in particular not from the wingnuts who will hate him forever for losing to THAT ONE.
Poor McCain, he’ll have to sell a house or three to pay his debts. Ah, poetic justice…
D. Aristophanes said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:16
Of course, the main thrust of Ace’s post is that brown people caused the current crisis with shady borrowing abetted by liberals.
Because minority borrowers who didn’t deserve loans LITERALLY FORCED their lenders to leverage said mortgage papers 15, 20 and even 40 times, thus causing the subprime meltdown and the current economic crisis!
Why, I recall this scene at my local Countrywide branch, circa 2005:
Angry Black Man: Gimme my loan!
Terrified Banker: Please calm down, sir. I can’t punch in the numbers when my hands are trembling from fear.
ABM: Shut up, bee-yatch! You best type in dat numberology and get me dat money!
TB: It’s done, sir. Your loan is approved.
ABM: Damn straight, muh-fuggah. Now listen up. white boy, and listen good! While you at it, you best be swapping derivatives based on the outstanding debt package I’s just provid-o-lated you wif, and den you kin jus’ leverage dem addition-a-mated paper holdings anutha couple dozen times just to be sho’ you getting all de cash-money juice you can while da gettin’s good, so’s we all happy in this here financialical trans-mogrifa-taction!
TB: But … but, sir! That would be a most irresponsible dereliction of this firm’s fiduciary duties! And it would likely lead to economic disaster!
ABM: Honkey, you best be doing what I done tol’ you to do wif regards to yo fiducia-malogical duties, or I will have B-Frank Da Funky Fixah on yo’ gofay ass like white on rice!
TB: I see. Well, excellent advice, sir! Will you be requiring a $100,000 credit line today, too?
ABM: Casper, please! Hells yeah I be needing that credit line!
Loneoak said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:17
In case you missed this excellently terrifying analysis by TNC, it looks like they’re revving up to party like it’s 1968.
Lesley said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:19
It’s too bad I can’t moderate one of these debates because I’d ask McCain about the terrorism accusation bullshit and then I’d ask him why he thinks half of America wants to vote for the terrorist, including most of New York City and then I’d ask him why he hates half of America.
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:22
These are very sick individuals and I hope than none of them get loose from their handlers and harm anyone - Obama or anyone else.
I live downtown. We already have on our nearby street corner, some mall ninja like white guy hanging around sometimes. He harasses the young black kids while reporting to someone on his cell phone. He threatens them, tells them he’s going to come back with a gun and kill them.
Of course there’s no precedent for this. Racially charged speech has never spilled over into violence on the street ever in history.
MaineMan said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:26
The beauty of a multi-party system is that we can party like it’s 1873, 1929, 1988 and 1999 all at the same time.
anangryoldbroad said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:27
For people who claim to love America so much they sure do seem to hate Americans with a passion.
roseyv said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:29
“The basest of the base, my husband called it.”
The extremest of the extremists, say I.
henry lewis said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:34
-Nationwide cracker insurrection through November.
-Martial law in December.
-Cheney installed as conditional president in January.
Boo-yah! It’s pedal-to-the-metal now, libtards.
SamFromUtah said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:34
The extremest of the extremists, say I.
I’d rather hang out with the socialest of the socialists.
Major Woody said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:36
I say the minority pressure groups have been in charge of things for too long! It’s getting to the point that all white males control is the economy, government, religions and society, damn it!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:40
Everyone knows what’s next, right?
Mandatory Gay Abortions, that’s what.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:43
You know, it is now fun to imagine the alternate universe in which Hillary got the nomination. Obama’s got relatively little history on the national stage and his climb to the top has been relatively boring and scandal free. Imagine the rich tapestries of conspiracy we’d be getting with Hillary as the nominee.
Path said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:45
Has anyone here seen the latest endoresement for Obama?
If only he wrote that on NRO! Still, what I’d give to see the reactions from those guys…
Anonymous said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:47
The Democrats’ overarching drive to do certifiably insane things, like letting murderers out on weekend furloughs from prison, in response to constant agitation from minority pressure groups.
Two words: Wayne Dumond.
christian h. said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:48
Ace doesn’t even try to hide the racism. No more coded language for him.
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:49
If McCain had launched his campaign from the living room of a right-wing domestic terrorist, you liberals would be screaming yourselves silly.
But the again, the most senior Democrat in the Senate is an ex-KKK leader. Man, you can’t make this stuff up!
Liberal hypocrisy - the easiest thing in the world to point out.
MaineMan said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:50
It does seem to me that McCain, Palin and their surrogates are nudging the gas can ever closer to the tinder box while tossing matchbooks and butane lighters to the rabid mob, whatever their reason for doing so. I can’t help but imagine that one local spark could start a wider chain reaction. And I have to figure that such an ignition becomes increasingly likely as Obama expands his polling leads and Nov. 4th looms ever closer. With this many pissed-off idiots, the odds in favor have to be huge.
Whether or not such a chain reaction would pass any threshold for “widespread civil unrest” resulting in some measure of martial law still strikes me as ludicrous speculation, but perhaps less so now than a few months ago.
One of the things that’s impressed me about Obama is how he seems prepared for every contingency. I have to think he’s prepared for this one as well.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:53
Has anyone here seen the latest endorsement for Obama?
Welcome Christopher Buckley. Please do not write anything ever again.
sagra said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:53
Can someone explain exactly how the gub’mint forced private sector corporations to give ARMs with 1% teaser rates to hobos?
(Lex) Palianated said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:56
Some winger thought that I was the “Lex” who posts at this Ace site. It’s not me, had never heard of it. Now I see why.
Why won’t “teh librul media” report on the former AK policy under Palin making rape victims pay for their rape kits? Isn’t that ONE issue big enough to toss out the pit-bull-with-dipshit out of the running? WTF is wrong with people? Yet Palin starts blabbering about Obama’s association with Weather-dude Ayers and that is what ends up now in the MSM. Have to pay for your own rape kit!!! Where’s the reportage other than Jon Stewart bashing her for this, and why are they taking cues from Palin to talk about Ayers again?
I want the Obama camp to hit back with that one. Get nasty on this weasel. Sheesh, we’re on the verge of a depression or at least recession and people are considering a man who thinks that the cut off for “rich” is $499,000? And not just him, but little miss plane on E-Bay?
Mandatory Gay Abortions, that’s what.
Thunder, yeah, I think you’re right….LOL. Mandatory Gay Abortions and Forced Sterilization with Air Force One on E-Bay.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:57
Can someone explain exactly how the gub’mint forced private sector corporations to give ARMs with 1% teaser rates to hobos?
Clearly the government should have regulated against enfranchising hobos.
No wait, it shouldn’t have regulated anything.
Hang on, maybe it should have specifically targeted hobos.
Ted said,
October 10, 2008 at 18:57
Wasn’t it a Republican governor that started the furlough program that got Dukakis in trouble? I try to remember the 20 year old Republican race-baiting smears but it’s hard when they come out with so many new ones.
(Lex) Palianated said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:04
Path–nice find! That was awesome! Kind of cheered me up after having the financial news blasting into my left ear here. Thanks;)
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:04
Hang on, maybe it should have specifically targeted hobos.
When the right is talking about mortgages and liberals, they mean the CRA.
So not the hobos, the coloreds.
Quaker in a Basement said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:05
Now I’m confused.
Is Willie Horton a white guy this year? Or is Willie Horton actually the candidate?
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:08
Wasn’t it a Republican governor that started the furlough program that got Dukakis in trouble?
I believe that Bill Ayers was underground in the area at the time.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:09
So not the hobos, the coloreds.
I was air-quoting like crazy there and you missed it.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:11
air-quoting
There should be Wii glove controllers and a talk-with-your-hands game.
Snort said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:12
ABM: Damn straight, muh-fuggah. Now listen up. white boy
D. Aristophanes, I actually held my nose and went into comments. Pure gold! For those about to shower, we sal-u-te you!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:14
There should be Wii glove controllers and a talk-with-your-hands game.
We don’t even have sharks with fricking lasers on their heads yet.
Be patient, young Jedi!
henry lewis said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:20
Agreed, MaineMan. I was just riffing (up there at 18:34) on Legalize’s comment .
But we have to wonder. The terrorist/muslim/socialist drumbeat isn’t turning McPenguin’s numbers around, So, again, why? Seeing pure spite replace smarts and strategy in a presidential campaign - maybe a little paranoid anxiety is inevitable.
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:25
I think the wingnuts are hoping to finally push one of their compassionate conservatives over the edge with all of this bullshit. You know, those ones who stockpile weapons and guns with telescopes and stuff.
I know it’s sounds so unlike them, but…
The Reality-Based Dave said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:27
Mr.Willis shows us who is McCains base:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/wade-williams-the-base/
Not racist at all…
tigrismus said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:30
Obama’s “terrorist ties” are to a man funded by Walter Annenberg, who was a dear friend and supporter of Nixon and Reagan, and occurred via Annenberg’s organization. McCain’s ties to terrorists nearer and dearer.
Lesley said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:33
Funniest headline of the day
Bush plans statement to ‘assure’ Americans about economy
Snort said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:36
MaineMan, henry lewis, I agree. Perhaps a sense of futility is causing the pot to boil. This reminds me of the hostility, even rage some of the PUMA people exhibited when the mounting gap became apparent. I think with McCain, he thought it was his turn, and now this far more talented Senator is calmly passing him by. This is McCains last chance,
and he’s becoming a desperate, bitter old man. The anger must be phenominal.
Lesley said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:39
after a week of the opposition parties gaining ground in the polls, every newspaper in Canada comes out in favour of a neoconservative majority, which just goes to show how not liberal our media are (despite the constant accusations by the Cons).
Pray for Canada, America. Please.
tigrismus said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:40
Dave: that was one deeepressing link. For all the talk about “palling around with domestic terrorists,” that is the face of domestic terrorism, and that’s the hornet’s nest McCain keeps shoving his stick into. As an antidote, Rednecks 4 Obama. May their tribe increase.
dBa said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:42
Actually the funniest headline of the day is:
No shit Ace? They do call you Ace, don’t they?
D.N. Nation said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:44
You’ve ceased to be interesting. At least follow your wingnut brethren and threaten to kill me or something.
D.N. Nation said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:48
Also, The Troof, peep this. Although I’m sure you’re aware of it, seeing how you skipped out on the Debate II thread and haven’t been hanging out here much lately.
I won’t call you a coward, though…after all, you’ve got that Robert Byrd trump card in your back pocket.
SamFromUtah said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:49
Bush plans statement to ‘assure’ Americans about economy
Heh.
You can’t reassure anyone unless they’ve already been assured, I guess.
Lesley said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:50
Looks like the bailoutees haven’t learned a fucking thing, and weren’t there any strings attached to the handout for the rich?
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:50
“You’ve ceased to be interesting.”
Troof would have to start being interesting to cease being so. His Acorn/Ayers schtick is day-old Fox News babble.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 19:57
Clearly The Truth is interesting enough for his comments to draw four comments, including this one.
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:02
B. Hussein Obama is going to be just like Michael Dukakias, he’ll lose by a landslide nomatter how the leftwing pollsters try to spin it. Look at every poll and you’ll see. Democrats are overrepresented in all of them. There is not one poll that I saw where more Republicans were polled than Democrats, even in solidly Republican states like North Carolina. Palin/McCain is going to win all of the traditionally Republican states in addition to a few surprises, Pennsylvania…cough…cough…
These pollsters have discredited themselves in every modern election, this one won’t be any different.
Oregon Guy said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:03
Bush assures markets => Dow Jones is down 500 pts.
The man is Kryptonite to competence in anything.
henry lewis said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:04
Except for the Toronto Star (ownership stake in Bell Globemedia) and the Globe&Mail (owned by Bell Globemedia which is controlled by Canada’s richest man), these are all the property of the neocon-leaning Asper family, so it’s to be expected. I hope Canadians are cantankerous enough to pointedly ignore their billionaire media masters.
I believe Harper will be returned with a minority. The warm-and-fuzzy schtick failed. Now the four parties sitting to the Conservative Party’s left need to seriously discuss mergers or coalitions or strategic partnerships.
D.N. Nation said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:05
There are more Democrats in the US than Republicans.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:05
Bush assures markets => Dow Jones is down 500 pts.
That’s misleadership for you.
henry lewis said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:07
So as not to make the Truth seem more interesting, I will not comment on the Truth. Nor will I comment on the subsequent comments.
tigrismus said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:08
Look at every poll and you’ll see. Democrats are overrepresented in all of them. There is not one poll that I saw where more Republicans were polled than Democrats, even in solidly Republican states like North Carolina.
As the Gremlin says, “I like him… he’s silly!”
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:09
The Dow is misunderestimating bush.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:12
Political prisoners.
Doofus said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:13
Why does Ace say 1998? Doesnt Dumbfuck mean 1988?
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:19
Clearly The Truth is interesting enough for his comments to draw four comments, including this one.
Just to make it an even five:
Troofy, no matter how much you froth at the mouth Barack Obama will always have a much bigger dick than you do. Hell, Sarah Palin has a bigger dick than yours. Or is that bigger balls? Whatever.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:25
Also, suck on this, troofie.
Ed Rollins:
BUHWAHAHAHAHA
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:31
Intrade #s for today: Obama up again, 78. McCain down again, 22.
Obligatory maniacal laugh here.
Dan said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:38
This is 10 X worse than Willie Horton. 1000 X worse. Willie Horton and Michael Dukakis were not in danger due to those ads. The base weren’t whipped into a frenzy (just scared shitless; wimps) by those ads.
Lou, Lou, the Dancing Panda said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:39
Christopher Motherfucking Buckley endorsing Obama. K-Lo trying not to hyperventilate, blowing into her Mitt doll.
Mooser said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:40
Look at every poll and you’ll see. Democrats are overrepresented in all of them. There is not one poll that I saw where more Republicans were polled than Democrats, even in solidly Republican states like North Carolina.
Gosh, I wish I had said that. Pure wing-nut gold, there.
Loneoak said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:43
Oh boy, this is going to be a classic: John “I Know Teh Science” Derbyshire argues that Obama will kill science because genomics would otherwise prove that blacks are stupid because their genes say so.
This is an area of research I work on professionally, and Derbyshire is wrong in about 10,000 ways. I blame his stupidity on environmental influences, i.e., NRO.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:48
No, he did not. Not even Derbyshire could be so…so….there’s not even a word for it.
Oh my fucking gawd he did.
John Derbyshire: partying like it’s 1888.
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:50
Funny shit from The Corner: Bush Has Had The Hardest Administration Since Lincoln
Hullo? Anyone recall the Great Depression???? Pearl Harbor???? *tap tap* Is this thing on???
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:52
Because minority borrowers who didn’t deserve loans LITERALLY FORCED their lenders to leverage said mortgage papers 15, 20 and even 40 times, thus causing the subprime meltdown and the current economic crisis!
You forgot: “Where’s my MoFo iced tea????”
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:52
Bush plans statement to ‘assure’ Americans about economy
I just read Paul Krugman’s blog, he’s started drinking. I’m not reassured.
The one surprising note in Dave’s link to the Wade Williams piece is that Louisiana officials actually arrested the guy. That’s change we can believe in!
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:54
Between Derby and the Corner - well, there’s sea of bullshit.
Also, both have made me want to claw my eyes out and stomp my mind grapes.
Trilateral Chairman said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:55
North Carolina, Kentucky, and Mississippi would all have to go for them to lose 10 seats. As comical as it’d be to see the Senate Minority Leader thrown out on his ass, I don’t think it’s likely.
Picking up 8-9 seats would be pretty damn cool, though.
Joe Max said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:55
Troofie sez:
You mean like McCain going on convicted Watergate burglar and hate-radio wingnut G. Gordn Liddy’s radio show to tell him what great American he is? The scumball who called for people to shoot federal police officers in the head - and then in the groin?
Hear anyone screaming themselves silly around here? Did Obama say much of anything about Ayers’ politics except to say he denounced them?
[*crickets*]
Give it up, Troofie. Best be planning your move the Cayman Islands right now if you want to avoid the Obama presidency. And good riddance.
D.N. Nation said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:57
A hearty heh-indeedy! goes out to 538 for taking Michael Barone’s head, dunking it in a toilet, and flushing about 20 times.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:58
Okay. Derbyshire didn’t go too far out from where he’s been before. He was gleefully looking forward to the Amniotic Homo Detector so the fags can be aborted in time.
I’m just awestruck by how much hate he can cram into a “rational, scientific discussion.”
comsympinko said,
October 10, 2008 at 20:59
Christopher Buckley, fils William F. Buckley, founder of the frickin’ magazine, no likey the Krazy Korner Kooks:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/suicide-watch-at-the-corner-corral/#more-11540
Winguttia est omnis fragmentia in partes milles.
Quod illic eram ultum tripudium. Yaaaaaaaay.
OneMan said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:01
“Funny shit from The Corner: Bush Has Had The Hardest Administration Since Lincoln”
We must remember, my friends, that for five and a half years McCain didn’t have a chance to be lackluster.
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:03
Loneoak
That argument is bad for sure but he is also making a broader claim. That some human genomic research undermines certain liberal sacred cows. Where would I go for lay person level info that would refute that claim?
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:06
Oh, my poor liberal droogs. You are going to be absolutely gobsmacked when McCain wins the election in a few weeks. For now, I’m just enjoying your triumphalism (as ugly as it is) and calling you on your more routine and common hypocrisy.
I seem to recall threats to leave the country as a typical liberal whine. I can only assume all of you who stamped your feet and pouted when another liberal ahead in the polls (Kerry) lost on Election Day are posting from outside the US. I will continue to live in my very blue state, even as Democrats work to make things worse.
Oh, and I’ll be here before, during, and after the Election. I wouldn’t miss it for the world!
Lawnguylander said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:08
Wow. Dan Riehl is predicting wholesale violence if our socialist idol Obama is elected and implies that some a thems that’s gonna get theirs probably have it coming:
Who will rid him of those meddlesome NYT employees and people like me who walk by their headquarters regularly? Mind you, he won’t support such an action. Won’t condemn it or say it wouldn’t really be such a good thing but at least he won’t drive the guys there or nothing.
MaineMan said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:09
Bush Has Had The Hardon Administration Since Lincoln.
What? Because he stole two erections?
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:09
Where would I go for lay person level info that would refute that claim?
The Derb and other nitwits hang a lot on The Bell Curve. Atrios often brings it up and spells out very clearly, often with good linkage, why anybody who brings it up is not bright.
MaineMan said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:16
We signed up to count ballots on Election Day. You sign up by party registration so that one Dem and one Repub can jointly count the same ballots. The clerk thanked us and put our names on the list, but told us we probably wouldn’t be needed since Dem signups were far outpacing Repub signups, reflecting current voter registration proportions. As recently as 2004, this was a solidly Republican town.
comsympinko said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:18
Ond ðær wæs ealfela fægnian. Yaaaaaaay.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:21
noen, I wouldn’t bother. It’s generally impossible to logic someone out of a position at which they did not arrive by logic. [eat it, fucking grammar pedants]
Ahem. Derbyshire et. al. aint never gonna change their tune, they adore too much their innate superiority. Fuckem and move on.
[/$0.02]
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:25
noen, I wouldn’t bother.
Noen asked: Where would I go for lay person level info that would refute that claim?
Getting that info for yourself is a swell project.
jim said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:26
Ain’t it “funny” how a lot of these pro-gay-rights laws always seem to hang fire until right before elections in the US? Almost as wild as those “coincidental” gas-price dips every 4 years (although this time the oil really IS getting cheaper for once).
Dude. Every time you echo yourself with this hosewash, you look just slightly more clueless & pathetic than you did the previous time. Work it the fuck out already. Nobody here is interested, period.
McCain dropped BIG bombs - on little kids, on purpose. An act which he takes no small pride in. Ayers used little ones - to do stupid shit like blow up a statue. After doing everything in his power to keep anyone from getting hurt by them.
As terrorism goes, he was Elmer Fudd. It was forty years ago. He’s a freaking professor now. Take a tip from Ayers. Let it go, for good - before you hurt yourself or someone else.
SRSLY.
Gary Ruppert said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:28
“Dem signups were far outpacing Repub signups, reflecting current voter registration proportions.”
The fact is, you just admitted you are cheating by registering too many people who are illegal and criminals and hate America and should not get to vote.
The fact is, Obama is a terrorist. There is proof of his ties to radical Islam and USA haters. You cannot make this stain go away. Here in the Heartland we are wise to your lies, liberals.
Bill Ayers said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:31
The fact is, Obama is a terrorist.
I’m Bill Ayers and I approve this message.
Also, KABOOOM!
D.N. Nation said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:36
Yeah, Robert Byrd supporters, all of us!
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:40
The Truth Says:
October 10th, 2008 at 21:06
Oh, my poor liberal droogs. You are going to be absolutely gobsmacked when McCain wins the election in a few weeks.
I’d like the name of the doctor who prescribes your meds and does he take MasterCard?
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:41
RB: Getting that info for yourself is a swell project.
Well, yeah, there is that. I apologize for my anti-elitism, suggesting that someone not learn some stuff.
I’d finish this comment by rolling out some latin phrase but I don’t know any.
Sockpuppet #47 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:42
Look, if knowing someone who did some stupid shit back in the 60s is enough to disqualify you from the presidency.. That leaves us with what? 3 people in the whole country who pass that test?
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:42
Trilateral Chairman Says:
October 10th, 2008 at 20:55
North Carolina, Kentucky, and Mississippi would all have to go for them to lose 10 seats.
I’d put money on NC and KY.
Wait, let me rephrase that. I just remembered where I’m writing this:
I’d bet on North Carolina and Kentucky flipping to Dem.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:43
I’d finish this comment by rolling out some latin phrase but I don’t know any.
This one’s the only one you need:
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:44
Give it up, Troofie. Best be planning your move the Cayman Islands right now if you want to avoid the Obama presidency.
Just stay away from the East End, Troofie. I have a condo there, and I like the clear water for diving.
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:45
RB, what does that mean? “My bathroom has some really noisy squid”?
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:46
Seriously, nescio quid dicas
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:46
C’mon, the fun’s in Googling it.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:46
Pwned by actor212.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:49
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Mr. Wonderful said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:50
R. Bubba astutely points out–
“You know, it is now fun to imagine the alternate universe in which Hillary got the nomination. Obama’s got relatively little history on the national stage and his climb to the top has been relatively boring and scandal free. Imagine the rich tapestries of conspiracy we’d be getting with Hillary as the nominee.”
Jeebus on a Triscuit, is THAT true. Plus, she’d probably snarl back in kind–which we’d all find emotionally satisfying but which would probably prove damaging, if not fatal. What we’re hearing is, among other things, the sound of many bullets being dodged.
pdq said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:51
I don’t think McCain’s latest is a real attempt at winning the presidency. I think what’s really going on is that the downticket GOP candidates are getting very nervous.
If there’s one thing I know about the Republican base, very, very few will vote for Obama, even if they’re completely disgusted and demoralized about McCain-Palin. They’ll just stay home. And that is poison for the downticket candidates.
So I think a conscious decision has been made to whip the base into a frenzy in any way possible, even if it means McCain turns off swing voters and loses badly. They need those base voters to turn out to save the Saxby Chamblisses and Norm Colemans of the world from defeat. And they’re trying to do that by whipping up blood lust.
Despicable? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Disturbing and cynical? Yes and Yes.
Will it work? Unfortunately, probably so.
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:51
Ego sum conscius totus Penitus institutio RB.
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 21:57
Pwned by actor212 and PeeJ.
comsympinko said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:00
I just wanted to see what “And there was much rejoicing” looked like in the Latin.
I didn’t expect some sort of Latin Inquisition…
henry lewis said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:13
Fox News busts out the latest liberal media photo-retouching outrage.
Except, no.
Loneoak said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:13
Here’s a few easy points to rebut Derbyshire:
1) Even if we grant that there is a substantial difference between races (more on that in a minute), “the left” is not necessarily contending otherwise. “The left” believes that the role of government is to guarantee an equality of opportunity to all citizens. One is an empirical claim, to be tested rigorously; the other is a moral and political claim, to be argued vigorously. Nothing that genomics demonstrates about human populations necessarily proves anything about the role of government. Facts should inform morality/politics, but not determine them. Derbyshire conflates the two perpetually.
2) People like Derbyshire like to rail against “anti-determinists” like they rail against “the left,” i.e., with nonsense. Determinism is a claim about causal pathways. Genetic determinism claims that genes necessarily directly cause phenotypic traits, like intelligence; change “the” gene, change the trait. That is a philosophical claim, not a scientific one–it is about the nature of genetics, not about the facts of genetics. It’s also not true. Anti-determinists do not believe that genes never “determine” traits, but that many traits (especially the interesting ones like intelligence) are caused by a complex network of genes (once called nature), environmental input (once called nurture), and a vast regulatory structure that stands between genes and input. Oh, and don’t forget all the ways that input causes regulation to control gene expression differently throughout our developmental pathways. Basically, anti-determinists believe biology is wildly more complex than Gene A = Trait A, Gene B = Trait B.
Now, there is some conflict between different schools of human genetics about the nature and meaning of genes, and a lot of it has to do with which technologies one uses to get at data. Genomics is the study of the sequence of the genes–what order the “code” of ACTG is in. There’s a lot of interesting evolutionary data in there. But sequence only tells you so much, because there is no direct line between sequence and trait. So if you only study the sequence (which has been a fetish of many molecular biologists for much of recent history), a certain kind of myopia is likely. That myopia can cause otherwise smart people to forget that they have an obligation to account for a causal pathway between a gene sequence and a trait. It gets far more complicated when the trait we are interested in is socially defined, such as intelligence. There is no molecular test for intelligence! There is simply no scientifically rigorous way to get from a molecular sequence to a social trait.
In other words, if Derbyshire or a Bell Curvey jackass says “different human populations must have different intelligence” they are working off of a (crappy) philosophical, not empirical, belief. The pose of hard-nosed empiricism they so love is just that: a pose. They adopt that pose because it fits their politics, not the facts.
3) It is highly likely that different human populations have different genetic sequences, including genes that contribute to human brain development and “intelligence.” That doesn’t mean jack, however. It is inevitable that different populations have different genetic sequences, but there are many factors that can cause that other than the pressure of natural selection. For instance, one population may have had an early bottleneck and one particular gene took a non-selective foothold in the ancestors. Or, the genetic change happened by drift, the random changes that randomly stick around because they have no selectable effects. Or, since genes are often used for many hundreds of proteins via regulatory structures, there may have been a different trait that was selected for (like immunological traits) but had a secondary effect on the trait we’re interested in on any given day. Or, because all human populations have had very similar evolutionary pressures on our cognitive and linguistic abilities, it is quite likely that different populations came up with different solutions to the same problem with the same results. Ultimately, it boils down to this: what we know about human genetics and development is just a drop in the bucket and it is profoundly speculative to make claims about any given genetic sequence and a complex trait. The causal story is just not there, and if I were to go out on a limb, I would say it never will be (but that is also a philosophical position.) Never has one of these jackasses been able to pin a gene variant to a complex cognitive trait–and they keep getting slapped back every time they try.
I hope that was halfway interesting and useful to you. Now I have to go do my real work, which is like this, but I get paid for it.
g said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:15
Who will rid him of those meddlesome NYT employees and people like me who walk by their headquarters regularly? Mind you, he won’t support such an action. Won’t condemn it or say it wouldn’t really be such a good thing but at least he won’t drive the guys there or nothing.
Well, not in his OWN car.
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:20
Righteous Bubba
Getting that info for yourself is a swell project.
Just to be clear, I wasn’t talking about the Bell Curve and that nonsense. And I’m not interested in debating right wingers on race. Derbyshire broadly hinted at some other things. So I guess I’ll look into those myself. Thanks anyway.
Orange Tom said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:22
Well, the shite that’s going on in Republican rallies now show the big differences between the Dems and the Thugs. Recall how, after stealing the elections of 2000 and 2004, they thumbed their noses and said “get over it”. Now, they’re losing and they clearly are moving towards *any* method that will defeat the Dems. They’ll contest the election (regardless of how wide the spread) in a way that will be a real problem, so be ready for that. Of course, the biggest worry is that they’ll keep this “terrorist” horseshit up until some moron gets angry enough to go after Obama/Biden intending a lethal result. Can the Secret Service keep up with the intentional inflaming the McCain camp is doing? At what point would Cheney cancel the election “for the good of the country”? January is a hellova long way off, folks.
noen said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:25
Loneoak
I hope that was halfway interesting and useful to you.
Thank you. That was very helpful.
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:29
Not to drag you away from your paycheck, Loneoak but…
I am under the impression that recent science has made the alleged connection between genotype and phenotype even murkier by realizing that gene expression is “regulated” if I may, in almost completely unknown ways.
Sorry to be such a pest.
Prank callin' Glenn Reynolds said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:31
Hi, am I on the air? OK, good. My name is I.P. Freely and I just wanted to say HEH! INDEED! HEH! INDEED!
Hugh Jass said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:34
You be surprised how many people call me when I’m out at bars.
And most of them don’t even know me!
Loneoak said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:40
I am under the impression that recent science has made the alleged connection between genotype and phenotype even murkier by realizing that gene expression is “regulated” if I may, in almost completely unknown ways.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. It was a big time surprise that actual experience (nurture) feedbacks into the regulatory system that controls which genes (nature) get expressed and at what rate. This basically means that the whole nature/nurture distinction is a sometimes useful shorthand, but not much else. Scientists have a habit of taking a useful conceptual shorthand like this and making it into a real object. Jackasses like Derbyshire turn it into a politics.
I highly recommend this Nova episode The Ghost in Your Genes. I didn’t find a link to the whole program, but watch it on TV if you can find it.
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:45
Lawnguylander,
Speaking of being pwned, take a look at this comment on Riehl’s site:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/10/how-much-of-thi.html#comment-134204533
Too funny! I guess someone else decided that confronting liberals with their hypocrisy is fun and easy too.
Some highlights:
- Weatherman Underground quotes calling white babies pigs and suggesting they be thrown in the garbage
- Bernadette Dohrn (ex-WU and current Northwestern University professor) praising torture murderer Charles Manson
- Documented voter fraud by ACORN, the liberal fraud machine to which.. .wait for it.. Obama contributes
What I particuarly enjoy is how you all back slap each other on how moral you are, when all of this is going on. Americans can see through your hypocrisy and they’ll let you know that loud and clear on Nov 4.
Orange Tom said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:50
What I particuarly enjoy is how you all back slap each other on how moral you are, when all of this is going on.
(Sniff……..sniff…) Oh, JESUS! Did someone just fart??
owlbear1 said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:53
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:45
I lick my ass!
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 22:54
“What I particuarly enjoy is how you all back slap each other on how moral you are, when all of this is going on. Americans can see through your hypocrisy and they’ll let you know that loud and clear on Nov 4.” —the Troof
Yes, I do fondly recall National Moralistic Back Slap day here at Sadly, No!. I still sleep in the commemorative T-shirt, or clean the house in it. (no offense to the designers)
I am interested in purchasing the “liberal fraud machine” you mention. Will Rupert Murdoch sell his holdings at reasonable costs, ya think?
PeeJ said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:00
Documented voter fraud by ACORN
Sadly, No!
Sockpuppet #47 said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:02
The trouble with linking genetics to intelligence, is a proper test is both technically difficult, and completely unethical.
To manage it, you would have to grow the necessary groups of humans in a vat (using human wombs would be an unpredictable variable) and then give those children exactly the same upbringing and education. Sitting them in front of robot teachers and forcing them to do test after test. This would of course only measure certain types of academic ability, and would mostly prove that when human beings are treated like cattle, they go insane.
Asking for volunteers to do IQ tests is barely more scientific than astrology.
Djur said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:04
Hypotruthical Left: Weather Underground is not relevant to this election. Leftist and liberal are not the same thing, and liberals opposed Weather Underground, which was a leftist group. The “ACORN voter fraud” is an absurd canard and has already been debunked — ACORN is the victim of the fraud, and it would be next to impossible to use such blatantly spurious voter registrations to manipulate the election.
As far as the Bernadette Dohrn stuff goes, you let me know when Dohrn’s past self travels through time to the present day and runs for president. I’ll make sure not to vote for her, you betcha.
Do you have anything else? Because at this point you’re actually citing alleged 30-year-old statements by a person who knew a person who met Obama. What’s next? A revelation that one of Obama’s Indonesian classmates had a cousin whose teacher borrowed a prayer mat from Osama bin Laden’s hairdresser?
Coach Urban Meyer said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:05
Ding dong dilly, The Truth! Hate to bear some nutty news, but Sadly, D’oh! is now Cool Coach territory. So beat it, chump!
The way the Cool Coach sees it, if you aren’t offering a SPREAD of TRUTH…if all you’re serving is a SPREAD of WHINE…then you’re nothing but a crybaby con, and we just don’t want ya in the ranks of the McCaniacs anymore! You’ve got to bring the funk on every post, oh yeah!
Badoodle-boo-yeah! The Truth just got served a SPREAD of COACH! Urban out.
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:07
Did I leave my balls in here again? Because I can’t see them. Oh well. I haven’t been able to see them since 1980.
The present tense said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:08
The fact is, stop misusing me.
Haha the truth got owned by freaking CUM said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:08
hahahahahahahahahahaha clown
owlbear1 said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:09
#
The Truth said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:07
I lick my ass!
Marco said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:17
He licks it “particuarly” so.
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:17
I didn’t expect some sort of Latin Inquisition…
Nemo specto Latin inquisition!
(sorry, someone had to do it…)
actor212 said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:18
- Weatherman Underground quotes calling white babies pigs and suggesting they be thrown in the garbage
In fairness, Troofie, they were talking to your mom…
joel hanes said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:20
Where would I go for lay person level info that would refute that claim?
The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen J. Gould
Righteous Bubba said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:22
What I particuarly enjoy is how you all back slap each other
All that back-slapping is making me itch.
tigrismus said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:26
Somebody keeps missing my back. And it’s not slapping when your hand doesn’t move.
JF Sebastian said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:26
The Twooth: “- Weatherman Underground quotes calling white babies pigs and suggesting they be thrown in the garbage
- Bernadette Dohrn (ex-WU and current Northwestern University professor) praising torture murderer Charles Manson”
Piggies? Helter Skelter? Is it me or does everything Truthy is posting lately suddenly have a connection to The Beatles’ White Album?
(Maybe we should try putting on Dark Side of the Moon at the same exact moment we start reading T’ruth’s posts to see if they sync up?)
Matt T. said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:30
You know what I miss? Hearing about that guy who spoke at NC State about killing white folk. I miss hearing about that.
Orange Tom said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:34
McPalin Mob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
Matt T. said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:34
Also, there was a story in the AJC about voter regisration. It said new black voter registration matched white voters for the first time ever in the state of Georgia. Bet that drives a certain troll slap up the wall.
D. Aristophanes said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:37
Shorter Loneoak: Steve Sailer is an ambulatory mound of horseshit.
MzNicky said,
October 10, 2008 at 23:52
SOS - SOS - I’ve been trapped in upper E. Tenn. for the past several days being tortured by several rightwing friends, being forced to listen to their idiocy and try to keep a frozen smile on my face — my endurance is fading — watching a clip of the end of the last presidential debate, where Obama is working the crowd, one of them sez: “Look at that. So typical of the liberal media. The camera follows Hussein all over, but do they even show McCain at all? No!” I inform her that that’s because McCain has hurriedly left the building, but she doesn’t believe me. Later, another one, remarking upon a potential Obama presidency, sez: “Why bother to elect that guy? ‘Someone’ is just gonna kill him anyway.” I am permitted to go into another room and beat my head against the wall. I am then forced against my will to watch “Project Runway.” Then a SNL Palin parody segment comes up. She sez: “Oh god please, not anything political! Let’s find something else to watch.” I chime in: “And how about something that’s not bimbo-ish besides.” I am cast into a cold concrete isolation room and left to rot. Well, not really, but at this point I would welcome it. That is all. And “god” help Amurika.
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:18
Hey liberals, I just got back from seeing the movie an American Carol. It was awesome. The most hilarious movie I’ve seen in a long time. Chris Farley’s brother did an excellent job portraying Michael Malone aka Michael Moore and Kellsey Grammar did an outstanding job as General Patton. I just loved Bill O’Reilly’s cameo when he slapped Michael Malone in the face LOL. That was priceless. The beginning of the movie was especially hilarious when the terrorist commander called out “Mohammed” for the suicide bomber to step foward, then all of the terrorists stood up. Michael Malone also got slapped around by JFK (who was a conservative and a patriot by the way) that was awesome. I hope more patriotic movies like this are made in the near future as the market for them is huge.
J Neo Marvin said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:24
I detect the distinct aroma of Parody Troll here.
alec said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:31
This book cannot be recommended heavily enough. He goes over Lombroso’s presentation of tattoos as typical of pederasts, including “It enters all / It all goes in” on the penis and, surreally, a tattoo of shaking hands on the chest.
It’s hilarious and sobering and smart, straight-up brilliant science writing, and while parts of it get unreadably wonky for the most part it’s one of those rare high-profile public works of statistical rigor that deserve the praise it gets.
Snort said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:33
rightwing friends,
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Rugged in Montana said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:33
I detect the distinct aroma of Parody Troll here.
Ummm, that may have been me. I accidently ate that illegal Mexican food for dinner last night.
alec said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:34
I mean, I was pretty skeptical about An American Carol too, but it’s pretty hilarious how they point out Michael Moore is fat. You know, it’s funny because it’s true.
Or, uh, was true a decade ago, but for wingnuts that’s as topical as you get.
MaineMan said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:38
Ummm, Gary? May I call you Gary?
Well, ya see, Gary, the little town I live in on the Maine coast is 99.44% white - mainly, lobstermen, clammers, farmers, independent truckers, mechanics and shopkeepers. Probably 60% of the vehicles on the streets are 10-year-old US-made pickup trucks. I’d guess most everyone owns at least two firearms and knows how to use them. Good, solid, heartland-type people. Oh, yeah. We do have one gay couple and they’re registered Republicans. Or, they were.
So, “illegals, criminals, hate America”? I don’t fucking think so.
BTW - If you’d like to come up here and run that kinda shit on the local residents, let me know when so’s I can get my popcorn ready. I’d especially love to see you confront the clammers with your noise. Actually, the mere thought of what they’d do to you (very casually and without even breaking a sweat) has made me lose my appetite.
Oh, wait. It’s back.
Orange Tom said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:39
it’s pretty hilarious how they point out Michael Moore is fat.
Yeah, well, fat = Joe Sixpack, so WTF?
Palin delenda est said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:40
Penis vobiscum.
roseyv said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:41
“Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.”
I’m guessing it’s something like “Everything sounds smart when you say it in Latin?”
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:42
Actually “Maineman” judging by their chosen professions, those people you mentioned in Maine are most likely all conservatives. So they would probably all agree with Gary. Sucks to be a liberal doesn’t it?
Orange Tom said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:44
Actually “Maineman” judging by their chosen professions, those people you mentioned in Maine are most likely all conservatives.
It’s a shame he doesn’t know his neighbors the way that you do…
alec said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:46
Yeah, this is what happens when you internalize Beltway narrative pap. My extended family probably has more firearms than the First Cavalry, they take gun control very seriously (largely because, as people who aren’t in the business of murder or phallic compensation, they know they have a lot more to be afraid of handing the Confederate Wankees of the world unsafetied handguns than submitting to reasonable legislation), and they haven’t voted for a Republican since Dewey.
My great-grandfather campaigned for Jack Kennedy, had Jack Kennedy’s family over for dinner, and wept with the rest of the country when some lunatic gunned him down. You don’t fucking know Jack Kennedy any more than you fucking know America.
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:50
Actually alec, I do know Jack Kennedy. I voted for him. Kennedy was a true conservative back when the Democratic Party was patriotic and conservative. Kennedy was more conservative than Nixon. I am now a Republican. I didn’t leave the Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me.
Orange Tom said,
October 11, 2008 at 0:53
I didn’t leave the Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me.
During these dark days, there are still things we can be thankful for.
alec said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:00
Patriotic, yes. Conservative, no. “Patriotic conservative” was a fucking oxymoron, or maybe you somehow managed not to observe Southern conservatives continuously flouting the law to oppress blacks and openly courting the legacy of secession. Or maybe you found it stirring when Reagan cut and run from Lebanon after the deaths of almost two hundred Marines in a single terrorist attack, then pranced around in the Caribbean throwing medals out for heroism in liberating doghouses.
The only thing conservatives have ever been loyal to is themselves, their own bottom line and their own skins. It was the Republicans who whined and pouted when Roosevelt geared the country up for war with Hitler; it was the Republicans who courted the racist holdovers from the Solid South when even the fairly scummy Democratic machine could no longer tolerate them. Even now, the Republicans are in the business of media warfare, flag-pin patriotism, sloganizing for the troops and cutting their benefits. If you were a patriot you’d recognize that conservatives generally and neocons especially are fucking cowards.
Obama’s grandfather liberated Buchenwald; Bush’s grandfather traded with the Nazis. And it’s easy enough to fake patriotism when you’re the son and grandson of Navy brass, immune to prosecution for stunning incompetence and guaranteed a warm seat at home once you sell your country out to the NVA. Just because he barks big about how important it is for Americans to shut up and do what he says doesn’t mean he gives two shits about America. If you have a patriotic bone in your body and you can’t see that, you’re a liar or you’re an idiot.
tigrismus said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:06
I didn’t leave the Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me.
Sure, it’s all wine and roses now, but soon Sucks will be leaving dirty socks all over the place like miniature throw rugs while complaining about your housekeeping skills.
Matt T. said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:07
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Matt T. said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:08
I didn’t leave the Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me.
It was because all of the black people joining up with the party, wasn’t it. A “Lester Maddox Democrat”, in other words.
tigrismus said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:09
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Easy for you to say.
Lil' Pubert said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:15
:”Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc…”
maya said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:17
I didn’t leave the Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me.
Yes, well, we wanted to talk to you about that, but honestly, standing downwind of you was a severe test to our remaining sensibilities.
Too bad you’re not very original either, acorn sucks, Reagan first used that line sometime after Jack Welsh had GE build him a free all electric house up in Pacific Palisades. So there you have it; Reagan didn’t really want to leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party just couldn’t come up with a better counter offer.
Matt T. said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:19
Non illigitamus carborundum.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:23
Poooooooooooooooooooooooooooop!
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:24
That’s what four years of Latin in High School got me. Not to mention five miserable days at work.
Soooo, what’s shakin’?
SamFromUtah said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:42
Reagan first used that line sometime after Jack Welsh had GE build him a free all electric house up in Pacific Palisades.
It’s been interesting to see how we’re getting a fast-forward recap of the last 150 years or so of wingnut talking points as their party unravels, hasn’t it?
Like the life-flashing-before-your-eyes thing just before you die, or ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, or someting.
JK47 said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:49
Headline on Yahoo news:
Raw anger in McCain’s crowds as Obama strengthens
Watching these fucktards crash and burn has almost made the raping of my 401(k) all worth it. “McCain is an angry old fuck” is the decisive meme of this campaign. Well done, wingnuts! You made our job so much easier! Now that Obama has it in the bag, I can donate to Al Franken and Jim Martin so we can get to 60 Senate seats and make you dumbfucks completely irrelevant.
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:49
Actually alec, Jack Kennedy was a conservative. He was a life member of the National Rifle Association and a stauch supporter of the Second Amendment. He was a devout Catholic and strongly pro-life. He cut taxes more than both Reagan and George W. Bush and only negotiated with our nation’s enemies from a postion of strength not weakness. Think the Bay of Pigs Invasion (an unfortunately unsuccessful attempt to liberate Cuba from the communists) and the Cuban missle crisis in which he deployed medium range nuclear missles in Turkey to force the Soviets to back down. JFK was no leftist, he was a true blue conservative and unfortunately the leftists try to corrupt his legacy just like they try with Martin Luther King.
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said,
October 11, 2008 at 1:51
The work order specifically mentioned “better” trolls.
PeeJ said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:00
I agree completely. The quality of troll we’ve been getting around here lately is piss fucken poor. With the exception of Rogered in Mantuna (do I recall t there was a different RiM to start with?) the lot of them aren’t worth their own weight in Shinola. Or shit, not that they would know the difference.
We demand better trolls!
Big Jule, Troll of East Cicero said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:01
What are we betting on?
Lesley said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:01
Raw anger in McCain’s crowds as Obama strengthens
Yeah, because McEvangelist (and his VP sidekick) is stirring them up with hate. He may as well be wearing a white hood and brandishing a burning cross. A despicable man appealing to the lowest common denominator.
g said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:02
Is ACORN TROLLS going to start listing all the rock songs that are really conservative? Cuz I haven’t seen that in a while and feel kinda nostaligic for that.
Smut Clyde said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:03
Bush plans statement to ‘assure’ Americans about economy
His writers can’t even be bothered preparing a new speech; they simply recycled an old we’re-winning-in-Iraq one, with the minimum number of changes.
The Splurge is working!
Lesley said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:03
whenever I add a troll to my kill file, “autopsy” crops up beside their name. I wonder what that means? Will I need to don a hot suit before I open their maggot ridden cavities?
Nathan Detroit, the Motor City Troller said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:10
I’m in.
ACORN SUCKS said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:10
Good news lefties, Mark Steyn just got cleared of any wrong doing from that farce of a court “Canadian Human Rights Commission.” Free Speech should never be considered “hate speech”. Congradulations to Mark Steyn for speaking the truth about Islam and the threat it poses to western civilization. All that needs to be done now is for the PC nazis in charge of the Canadian court system to be removed from power and thrown behind bars.
Tehanu said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:13
If Barry Goldwater were alive he’d kick ACORN SUCKS’ ass nine ways from Tuesday. He was also a friend of JFK’s … and they didn’t agree on anything. Or is it that, in RightTardLand today, Goldwater too is a “leftist,” while JFK and MLK Jr. are “true conservatives”?
I’d call A.S. a friggin’ moron, except that that would be an insult to morons. He IS a liar and a bigot, though … racism and homophobia and misogyny are the only reasons anybody ever says that “The Democratic party left me” crap.
PeeJ said,
October 11, 2008 at 2:15
Good news indeed. I see, upon awakening from my afternoon nap, that McThuselah has been pwn3d yet again. He’s telling the mobs that they need to be respectful. Was it the SS whispering in his ear that caused this radical turnaround? Or was it Obama’s calling him a chickenshit coward?
And the mob, they don’t like it, not one bit.
Exxxxcccellent.
JK47 said,