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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/12508.html#comment-704392</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Laffer curve is pure myth.  Tax laws aren&#039;t written as simply as Laffer assumed.  What happens if we change section 633, paragraph 42 of the tax law?  You could increase the tax rate but by changing the way deductions are taken you could cause revenue to go down or up or remain the same.  

And please don&#039;t refer to right wing idiots as &quot;mongoloid&quot; or &quot;special needs&quot;.  I have a son with Down syndrome and autism and although he may not be the smartest citizen in the country he is not a danger to our country.  He does not try to convince others to follow ideas that are destructive to our democracy.  Mocking them as &quot;mongoloid&quot; or &quot;retarded&quot; treats them as harmless and they are not.  Just look at what has happened to this country after 8 years of GWB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Laffer curve is pure myth.  Tax laws aren&#8217;t written as simply as Laffer assumed.  What happens if we change section 633, paragraph 42 of the tax law?  You could increase the tax rate but by changing the way deductions are taken you could cause revenue to go down or up or remain the same.  </p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t refer to right wing idiots as &#8220;mongoloid&#8221; or &#8220;special needs&#8221;.  I have a son with Down syndrome and autism and although he may not be the smartest citizen in the country he is not a danger to our country.  He does not try to convince others to follow ideas that are destructive to our democracy.  Mocking them as &#8220;mongoloid&#8221; or &#8220;retarded&#8221; treats them as harmless and they are not.  Just look at what has happened to this country after 8 years of GWB.</p>
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		<title>By: Rust Lintjaws</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/12508.html#comment-703116</link>
		<dc:creator>Rust Lintjaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will all of you Surrender Sallys in the Democrat party admit we were greeted as liberators when we landed on the Moon?

Not a shot was fired if I remember correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will all of you Surrender Sallys in the Democrat party admit we were greeted as liberators when we landed on the Moon?</p>
<p>Not a shot was fired if I remember correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: bayville</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/12508.html#comment-703090</link>
		<dc:creator>bayville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prager: &lt;i&gt;Members of the news media believe, correctly, that individuals running for political office, because of their potentially great impact on American life, should subject themselves to interview after interview about their views, values, personal life and knowledge base by often hostile members of the news media. But, the most powerful members of the news media, people who have more impact on American life than almost any politician in America, do not allow themselves to be interviewed about their views, values, personal life and knowledge of the issues. Why not? &lt;/i&gt;

Christ, we know too much about these assholes&#039; personal life as it is. Hey Denny, ever hear of &lt;i&gt;Big Russ &amp; Me&lt;/i&gt;. Every big media clown - with the exception of Mike Barnicle - it seems has written atleast one autobiography.
Even Steve Douche of Fox News has a book out about his kids and family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prager: <i>Members of the news media believe, correctly, that individuals running for political office, because of their potentially great impact on American life, should subject themselves to interview after interview about their views, values, personal life and knowledge base by often hostile members of the news media. But, the most powerful members of the news media, people who have more impact on American life than almost any politician in America, do not allow themselves to be interviewed about their views, values, personal life and knowledge of the issues. Why not? </i></p>
<p>Christ, we know too much about these assholes&#8217; personal life as it is. Hey Denny, ever hear of <i>Big Russ &amp; Me</i>. Every big media clown &#8211; with the exception of Mike Barnicle &#8211; it seems has written atleast one autobiography.<br />
Even Steve Douche of Fox News has a book out about his kids and family.</p>
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		<title>By: ckc (not kc)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckc (not kc)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...it had the right (pursuant to “Manifest Destiny”) to steal it from them.&lt;/i&gt;

and, not to put too fine a point on it, we know who they stole it from in the first place, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;it had the right (pursuant to “Manifest Destiny”) to steal it from them.</i></p>
<p>and, not to put too fine a point on it, we know who they stole it from in the first place, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Basharov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basharov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praeger would have been correct if he&#039;d used Mexico as his example instead of Korea.  Although it&#039;s true that the Mexicans fired a few shots at Zachary Taylor&#039;s troops across the border in Texas when Zachary, under Polk&#039;s orders, had them taunt the Mexicans, Mexico had neither the desire nor the ability to invade the United States in 1846.  That war was nothing but a land-grab by the U.S. which figured that since the Mexicans weren&#039;t doing much with California and the land in between, it had the right (pursuant to &quot;Manifest Destiny&quot;) to steal it from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praeger would have been correct if he&#8217;d used Mexico as his example instead of Korea.  Although it&#8217;s true that the Mexicans fired a few shots at Zachary Taylor&#8217;s troops across the border in Texas when Zachary, under Polk&#8217;s orders, had them taunt the Mexicans, Mexico had neither the desire nor the ability to invade the United States in 1846.  That war was nothing but a land-grab by the U.S. which figured that since the Mexicans weren&#8217;t doing much with California and the land in between, it had the right (pursuant to &#8220;Manifest Destiny&#8221;) to steal it from them.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/12508.html#comment-703011</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reply to Prager:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Gotcha journalism&quot;?

Asking someone what newspapers they read, or another SC case besides Roe v. Wade, is HARDBALL now? Just how far do you intend to dumb-down the process of selecting a leader? 

&quot;What is 9 minus 4?&quot;
&quot;What is your last name?&quot;
&quot;When was the War of 1812?&quot;

Referring to the UN-authorized police-action in response to NK&#039;s invasion as unilateral US aggression simply serves to illustrate the extent of your historical retardation. Scoffing at verbal abuse toward young girls shows anyone who sees it where your ethical standards lie. Kowtowing to abstract slop like the Laffer Curve is typical neo-conservative ideology-over-reality economics.

The questions are idiotic.
Try harder next time.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 - &amp; now I need to lay on the eyewash. Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply to Prager:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Gotcha journalism&#8221;?</p>
<p>Asking someone what newspapers they read, or another SC case besides Roe v. Wade, is HARDBALL now? Just how far do you intend to dumb-down the process of selecting a leader? </p>
<p>&#8220;What is 9 minus 4?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;What is your last name?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;When was the War of 1812?&#8221;</p>
<p>Referring to the UN-authorized police-action in response to NK&#8217;s invasion as unilateral US aggression simply serves to illustrate the extent of your historical retardation. Scoffing at verbal abuse toward young girls shows anyone who sees it where your ethical standards lie. Kowtowing to abstract slop like the Laffer Curve is typical neo-conservative ideology-over-reality economics.</p>
<p>The questions are idiotic.<br />
Try harder next time.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> &#8211; &amp; now I need to lay on the eyewash. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ghost of Tom Joad</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/12508.html#comment-702985</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ghost of Tom Joad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lads, you might want to take a look at this link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10520607</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lads, you might want to take a look at this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&#038;objectid=10520607" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&#038;objectid=10520607</a></p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; Howard Zinn didn&#039;t argue &quot;that prior to the invasion of Iraq, America had never attacked a country that had no plans to attack it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You <i>know</i> Howard Zinn didn&#8217;t argue &#8220;that prior to the invasion of Iraq, America had never attacked a country that had no plans to attack it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard Zinn was also on Prager&#039;s show. David Sirota debated Prager a few weeks ago. Which provoked Sirota to declare he&#039;s even more in the tank for Obama after dealing with Dennis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard Zinn was also on Prager&#8217;s show. David Sirota debated Prager a few weeks ago. Which provoked Sirota to declare he&#8217;s even more in the tank for Obama after dealing with Dennis.</p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it’s far from the most devastating (Philippine war, anyone?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Depends on which figures you&#039;re using for the Philippine-American War but civilian deaths in Iraq are already approaching the highest estimates for the &quot;Philippine Insurrection&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it’s far from the most devastating (Philippine war, anyone?)</p></blockquote>
<p>Depends on which figures you&#8217;re using for the Philippine-American War but civilian deaths in Iraq are already approaching the highest estimates for the &#8220;Philippine Insurrection&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What self-respecting liberal intellectual, celebrated or not, would waste his/her time talking to Dennis Prager?&lt;/i&gt;

Stephanie Miller, for one, who&#039;s agreed to debate Prager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What self-respecting liberal intellectual, celebrated or not, would waste his/her time talking to Dennis Prager?</i></p>
<p>Stephanie Miller, for one, who&#8217;s agreed to debate Prager.</p>
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		<title>By: Stag Tunnel Palin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stag Tunnel Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYWP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another strikethrough ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYWP!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Another strikethrough ruined.</p>
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		<title>By: Stag Tunnel Palin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stag Tunnel Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And you can’t get mad at them for that. Apparently, all they have are logical fallacies phalluses.&quot;

Fixed.

If they didn&#039;t have logical phalluses, they wouldn&#039;t have any phalluses at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you can’t get mad at them for that. Apparently, all they have are logical fallacies phalluses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
<p>If they didn&#8217;t have logical phalluses, they wouldn&#8217;t have any phalluses at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Seybert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Seybert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: Critics of the war in Iraq argue that prior to the invasion of Iraq, America had never attacked a country that had no plans to attack it. How then do you explain the Korean War?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did Prager offer up anything remotely resembling an example of anyone who tried to make this exact point?

I remember making the point that Iraq had not attacked us and the people of Iraq (in addition to the people of Aghanistan) had nothing to do with Sept. 11.

I don&#039;t remember trying to make a point that America had never attacked another country unprovoked. For one thing, Vietnam is just too damn obvious to ignore.

I think Prager was stuck in straw-man argument mode. And since he&#039;s  a conservative, he&#039;s there almost permanently, occasionally shifting into the false dichotomy or the red herring for a little variety.

And you can&#039;t get mad at them for that. Apparently, all they have are logical fallacies.

(Unless ... maybe the October Surprise is that conservatives will surprise us all with a new batch of arguments based on honesty, decency, consistency and cogency. I&#039;m not putting any money on it. But it would be a surprise, no?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Q: Critics of the war in Iraq argue that prior to the invasion of Iraq, America had never attacked a country that had no plans to attack it. How then do you explain the Korean War?</p></blockquote>
<p>Did Prager offer up anything remotely resembling an example of anyone who tried to make this exact point?</p>
<p>I remember making the point that Iraq had not attacked us and the people of Iraq (in addition to the people of Aghanistan) had nothing to do with Sept. 11.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember trying to make a point that America had never attacked another country unprovoked. For one thing, Vietnam is just too damn obvious to ignore.</p>
<p>I think Prager was stuck in straw-man argument mode. And since he&#8217;s  a conservative, he&#8217;s there almost permanently, occasionally shifting into the false dichotomy or the red herring for a little variety.</p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t get mad at them for that. Apparently, all they have are logical fallacies.</p>
<p>(Unless &#8230; maybe the October Surprise is that conservatives will surprise us all with a new batch of arguments based on honesty, decency, consistency and cogency. I&#8217;m not putting any money on it. But it would be a surprise, no?)</p>
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		<title>By: Martini Revolution &#187; Wingnut Historicalitiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martini Revolution &#187; Wingnut Historicalitiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we have Dennis Prager, who revises history so that we started the Korean War by attacking North Korea: Q: Critics of the war in Iraq argue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we have Dennis Prager, who revises history so that we started the Korean War by attacking North Korea: Q: Critics of the war in Iraq argue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kefauver</title>
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		<dc:creator>kefauver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the United States military was acting in behalf of the UN.

Why is history lost on these right-wing morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the United States military was acting in behalf of the UN.</p>
<p>Why is history lost on these right-wing morons.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis Prager is taking the old Soviet line that the Korean War was totally US aggression? Cool.

Next week maybe he&#039;ll start talking about US germ warfare against N.Korean civilians. Pass the popcorn. And the hooch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Prager is taking the old Soviet line that the Korean War was totally US aggression? Cool.</p>
<p>Next week maybe he&#8217;ll start talking about US germ warfare against N.Korean civilians. Pass the popcorn. And the hooch.</p>
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		<title>By: tigrismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigrismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OK, Prager may be super stupid. But the broader point is all too apt. &lt;/i&gt;

It would be if that had been the argument war critics made; I never heard anyone make that argument, and I notice he doesn&#039;t give any names.  If he really wants to know, why doesn&#039;t he ask people who actually argued that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OK, Prager may be super stupid. But the broader point is all too apt. </i></p>
<p>It would be if that had been the argument war critics made; I never heard anyone make that argument, and I notice he doesn&#8217;t give any names.  If he really wants to know, why doesn&#8217;t he ask people who actually argued that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. BDH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. BDH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What self-respecting liberal intellectual, celebrated or not, would waste his/her time talking to Dennis Prager?  Nevertheless, I believe only Gen. Tommy Franks can decide when - if ever - someone has surpassed the stupidity of Douglas Feith.  Perhaps if Prager had some actual authority and power, as Feith did, he might be a candidate for &quot;FSG,&quot; but until that day he doesn&#039;t come close to Feith&#039;s  combination of ignorance and certainty which drove Franks crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What self-respecting liberal intellectual, celebrated or not, would waste his/her time talking to Dennis Prager?  Nevertheless, I believe only Gen. Tommy Franks can decide when &#8211; if ever &#8211; someone has surpassed the stupidity of Douglas Feith.  Perhaps if Prager had some actual authority and power, as Feith did, he might be a candidate for &#8220;FSG,&#8221; but until that day he doesn&#8217;t come close to Feith&#8217;s  combination of ignorance and certainty which drove Franks crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: MaineMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaineMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that Laffer&#039;s version of the &quot;Khaldun Curve&quot; doesn&#039;t take into account is how the expenditure of current revenues affects potential &lt;em&gt;future&lt;/em&gt; revenues.  For instance, are they reinvested in improving the state of the workers (healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc.) and, thus, increasing wealth generation (and future revenues)?  Or are current revenues wasted on wars of conquest and for the benefit of the already wealthy at the &lt;em&gt;expense&lt;/em&gt; of the well-being of the worker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that Laffer&#8217;s version of the &#8220;Khaldun Curve&#8221; doesn&#8217;t take into account is how the expenditure of current revenues affects potential <em>future</em> revenues.  For instance, are they reinvested in improving the state of the workers (healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc.) and, thus, increasing wealth generation (and future revenues)?  Or are current revenues wasted on wars of conquest and for the benefit of the already wealthy at the <em>expense</em> of the well-being of the worker?</p>
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