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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: jackd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The most glaring says ‘Obama and his liberal allies promise higher taxes on your income.’&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, it isn&#039;t a &lt;i&gt;lie&lt;/i&gt;. They just neglected to mention the &quot;if you pull in over a quarter-mil a year&quot; part.  A mere oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The most glaring says ‘Obama and his liberal allies promise higher taxes on your income.’</i></p>
<p>Oh, it isn&#8217;t a <i>lie</i>. They just neglected to mention the &#8220;if you pull in over a quarter-mil a year&#8221; part.  A mere oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: poliwog</title>
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		<dc:creator>poliwog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.countryclubfirst.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Country Club First&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.countryclubfirst.com" rel="nofollow">Country Club First</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: triozyg</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11819.html#comment-686093</link>
		<dc:creator>triozyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, above was seriously incompetent, this should work
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, above was seriously incompetent, this should work<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg</a></p>
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		<title>By: triozyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>triozyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because someone has to:
&lt;a href rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because someone has to:<br />
<a href rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davros</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11819.html#comment-686059</link>
		<dc:creator>Davros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I heard on NPR on the way in to work (you should see the radio in my mothership -- I can tune in &lt;i&gt;from all dimensions&lt;/i&gt;) that the partisan Pentagon is going full-swing on &quot;operation October surprise&quot;. We can expect to see Bin Laden on a pike before November!

That said, I can destroy  your puny world last since you&#039;re already doing so well on your own.

--Destroying all of reality for the greater good of the Dalek race, etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I heard on NPR on the way in to work (you should see the radio in my mothership &#8212; I can tune in <i>from all dimensions</i>) that the partisan Pentagon is going full-swing on &#8220;operation October surprise&#8221;. We can expect to see Bin Laden on a pike before November!</p>
<p>That said, I can destroy  your puny world last since you&#8217;re already doing so well on your own.</p>
<p>&#8211;Destroying all of reality for the greater good of the Dalek race, etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: klyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>klyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desperate and succeeding sadly.</description>
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		<title>By: FlipYrWhig</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlipYrWhig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most twisted thing of all is that McCain wants to count employer contributions to health plans as income, and tax it.  That would be _devastating_ to people.  Sure, part of the point is certainly to come up with something Congress won&#039;t enact, so that if he got elected (shudder) he can say that he tried his best but those clowns in Congress had to act like a bunch of clowns.  But it&#039;s an evil proposal.  I would love an ad based on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most twisted thing of all is that McCain wants to count employer contributions to health plans as income, and tax it.  That would be _devastating_ to people.  Sure, part of the point is certainly to come up with something Congress won&#8217;t enact, so that if he got elected (shudder) he can say that he tried his best but those clowns in Congress had to act like a bunch of clowns.  But it&#8217;s an evil proposal.  I would love an ad based on that.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Aristophanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Aristophanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, it’s sure funny that O’Reilly has no problem with income redistribution when it’s the top 1% carving out an ever bigger chunk of the pie, as they have been for many years now, but if you dare give a tax cut to the vast majority of the country without giving the super-rich an even bigger one? You’re an evil commie who just likes watching millionaires suffer.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, no shit. Everybody knows that the billionaires don&#039;t use public roads and harbors and airports to move themselves and their goods around like us plebes. And they never avail themselves of the publicly financed judicial system. And their sprawling estates and business holdings are protected by private security so why should they have to help fund the cops or the army at all? It&#039;s so obvious that there should be a 0% tax on rich people and a 100% tax on the rest of us leeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, it’s sure funny that O’Reilly has no problem with income redistribution when it’s the top 1% carving out an ever bigger chunk of the pie, as they have been for many years now, but if you dare give a tax cut to the vast majority of the country without giving the super-rich an even bigger one? You’re an evil commie who just likes watching millionaires suffer.</i></p>
<p>Well, no shit. Everybody knows that the billionaires don&#8217;t use public roads and harbors and airports to move themselves and their goods around like us plebes. And they never avail themselves of the publicly financed judicial system. And their sprawling estates and business holdings are protected by private security so why should they have to help fund the cops or the army at all? It&#8217;s so obvious that there should be a 0% tax on rich people and a 100% tax on the rest of us leeches.</p>
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		<title>By: actor212</title>
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		<dc:creator>actor212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Instead he decided to risk everything to attract the people no one can stand because a guy everyone hates wanted to prove The Math really will work. &lt;/i&gt;

Rove&#039;s job here is the same as it was in 2000 and 2004: keep the election close enough to steal. 

He&#039;s not supposed to attract voters: he&#039;s supposed to repel the other guy&#039;s voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Instead he decided to risk everything to attract the people no one can stand because a guy everyone hates wanted to prove The Math really will work. </i></p>
<p>Rove&#8217;s job here is the same as it was in 2000 and 2004: keep the election close enough to steal. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s not supposed to attract voters: he&#8217;s supposed to repel the other guy&#8217;s voters.</p>
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		<title>By: David in NYC</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11819.html#comment-685946</link>
		<dc:creator>David in NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this falls into the categories of Lies, Bullshit, OMG We&#039;re Stupid, or some combination thereof, but, from the second linked article:

&lt;i&gt;Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior economic adviser to McCain, noted that the report does not take into account the spending reforms - such as eliminating earmarks - that are central to McCain&#039;s strategy to support tax relief and help reduce the deficit.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this falls into the categories of Lies, Bullshit, OMG We&#8217;re Stupid, or some combination thereof, but, from the second linked article:</p>
<p><i>Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior economic adviser to McCain, noted that the report does not take into account the spending reforms &#8211; such as eliminating earmarks &#8211; that are central to McCain&#8217;s strategy to support tax relief and help reduce the deficit.</i></p>
<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jrod</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/11819.html#comment-685925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be extremely difficult to convince our media to go against thirty years of narrative and actually report that the Democrats will cut taxes more than Republicans.  This is particularly true considering that the brightest stars (barf) are in that top bracket that will be paying more.

If the media admits to the facts at all, expect it to be framed as a class warfare issue, a la O&#039;Reilly whining to Obama during his interview about income redistribution, which is *gasp* &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;SOCIALISM&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  Cue menacing tune.

You know what else is income redistribution?  Going to the fucking grocery store.  Getting a paycheck.  Paying the bills.  The whole point of money is to redistribute the stuff.

Also, it&#039;s sure funny that O&#039;Reilly has no problem with income redistribution when it&#039;s the top 1% carving out an ever bigger chunk of the pie, as they have been for many years now, but if you dare give a tax cut to the vast majority of the country without giving the super-rich an even bigger one?  You&#039;re an evil commie who just likes watching millionaires suffer.

Now, I&#039;ll cop to that, but I&#039;m pretty sure Obama is a little more magnanimous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be extremely difficult to convince our media to go against thirty years of narrative and actually report that the Democrats will cut taxes more than Republicans.  This is particularly true considering that the brightest stars (barf) are in that top bracket that will be paying more.</p>
<p>If the media admits to the facts at all, expect it to be framed as a class warfare issue, a la O&#8217;Reilly whining to Obama during his interview about income redistribution, which is *gasp* <i><b>SOCIALISM</b></i>.  Cue menacing tune.</p>
<p>You know what else is income redistribution?  Going to the fucking grocery store.  Getting a paycheck.  Paying the bills.  The whole point of money is to redistribute the stuff.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s sure funny that O&#8217;Reilly has no problem with income redistribution when it&#8217;s the top 1% carving out an ever bigger chunk of the pie, as they have been for many years now, but if you dare give a tax cut to the vast majority of the country without giving the super-rich an even bigger one?  You&#8217;re an evil commie who just likes watching millionaires suffer.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ll cop to that, but I&#8217;m pretty sure Obama is a little more magnanimous.</p>
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		<title>By: WereBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;what I don’t get is that he could afford to piss of the 27%ers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, yes, they always have before.

So Occam&#039;s Razor concludes that... this year, they couldn&#039;t.

I figure that and the racist vote (with considerable overlap) is all they have left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>what I don’t get is that he could afford to piss of the 27%ers</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes, they always have before.</p>
<p>So Occam&#8217;s Razor concludes that&#8230; this year, they couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I figure that and the racist vote (with considerable overlap) is all they have left.</p>
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		<title>By: Arky - Chuthuhlusexual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arky - Chuthuhlusexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jim, what I don&#039;t get is that he could afford to piss of the 27%ers. They would have fallen in line. Instead he decided to risk everything to attract the people no one can stand because a guy everyone hates wanted to prove The Math really will work. 

Not that I&#039;ll complain if this results in an O/B White House, but from if you look at the stratergery alone it really does boggle the mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jim, what I don&#8217;t get is that he could afford to piss of the 27%ers. They would have fallen in line. Instead he decided to risk everything to attract the people no one can stand because a guy everyone hates wanted to prove The Math really will work. </p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;ll complain if this results in an O/B White House, but from if you look at the stratergery alone it really does boggle the mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Dhalgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dhalgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the latest McCain ad wags a finger at Obama while the female voice over says, &quot;Disrepectful.&#039;  It boarders close on telling a field ***** to know his place.  Dangerously close.  There&#039;s even that recent ad that slightly darkens Obama&#039;s image as the voice over says, &quot;As he falls in the polls, he will destroy her.&quot;

Rape her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the latest McCain ad wags a finger at Obama while the female voice over says, &#8220;Disrepectful.&#8217;  It boarders close on telling a field ***** to know his place.  Dangerously close.  There&#8217;s even that recent ad that slightly darkens Obama&#8217;s image as the voice over says, &#8220;As he falls in the polls, he will destroy her.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rape her?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain has no choice now - he can&#039;t afford to piss off the &quot;27%ers&quot; by ditching Rove, who I&#039;m sure is a flaming primadonna in terms of doing things HIS way - &amp; that fat fuck will just keep shovelling more &amp; more bullshit, because it&#039;s the one thing he&#039;s really good at ... &amp; the more he shovels the further McCain sinks.

I wonder if ol&#039; Karl got a nice thank-you note Fed-Exed to him from Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain has no choice now &#8211; he can&#8217;t afford to piss off the &#8220;27%ers&#8221; by ditching Rove, who I&#8217;m sure is a flaming primadonna in terms of doing things HIS way &#8211; &amp; that fat fuck will just keep shovelling more &amp; more bullshit, because it&#8217;s the one thing he&#8217;s really good at &#8230; &amp; the more he shovels the further McCain sinks.</p>
<p>I wonder if ol&#8217; Karl got a nice thank-you note Fed-Exed to him from Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: thelogos</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelogos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got my escape plan in motion if Barry and co. don&#039;t call out these lies for what they are and start pulling a Kerry on us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got my escape plan in motion if Barry and co. don&#8217;t call out these lies for what they are and start pulling a Kerry on us.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, that one just above is me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, that one just above is me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

D. Aristophanes said,

September 12, 2008 at 18:08

Me - links?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s a general roundup from GOS:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/12/895/20646/79/594884</description>
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<p>D. Aristophanes said,</p>
<p>September 12, 2008 at 18:08</p>
<p>Me &#8211; links?</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s a general roundup from GOS:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/12/895/20646/79/594884" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/12/895/20646/79/594884</a></p>
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		<title>By: javafascist</title>
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		<dc:creator>javafascist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m quite certain my Senator, the Honorable Mr. Leahy, will hold her accountable at every opportunity with some very sternly worded letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m quite certain my Senator, the Honorable Mr. Leahy, will hold her accountable at every opportunity with some very sternly worded letters.</p>
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		<title>By: sagra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe there actually is a lying threshhold for them.&lt;/i&gt;

And maybe this time, Lucy won&#039;t jerk the ball away at the last minute!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe there actually is a lying threshhold for them.</i></p>
<p>And maybe this time, Lucy won&#8217;t jerk the ball away at the last minute!</p>
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