Oh, wait, you said “election”? …Same answer.

Fortunately, you’re neither a fellow nor a citizen, so we’re free to hate you!

It ain’t gonna happen all by itself. There will have to be a shitload of grassroots activism to keep Obama from taking the easy “centrist” way out. Winning the election is only the beginning. We will be cleaning the elephant dung for decades, while the Forces Of Stupid pick away at any miniscule bit of progress we achieve. As Samuel Beckett put it, “I can’t go on. I’ll go on.” Sucks to be 19 in this toxic political environment, and I truly feel for you, CEM.

coastal elitist man Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 0:43

However, this is a national election he at least needs to appear more “moderate” than he actually is in order to be electable. Unfortunately American society still isn’t at the point where a candidate for national office can openly run on a truly progressive platform and be elected.

Okay – I read you saying elsewhere that you’re 19, so I’m going to guess that this is attributable to a certain level of naivete on your part. The thing with “appearing more ‘moderate’” is that once you’re in power it translates into right-wing policies, exactly like up-front rightism does. The result for those being governed is IDENTICAL … so you get a President who’s okay with nauseating whoppers like amending FISA & funding faith-based initiatives. Bush, Cheney & their Cult Of Teh Stoopid would presumably approve wholeheartedly of both. My advice: brace yourself for a LOT more of the same from President Obama – Democrats in the Oval Office have a reliable track record of veering ever further to the right so as to try to placate the GOP (see Clinton, Bill) & funnily enough, it always fails, yet they always give it another shot.

The Truth Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 15:20

Holy handgrenade! You really ARE an infinite well of fail, aren’t you? Yeah, liberals hate their fellow citizens SO much that they advocate deranged social-engineering projects, like Health & Safety laws for private enterprise … or overtime & paid vacations … or a safety-net for people thrown on the scrapheap by the Magical Free Market … or ending racial segregation in the US … or safe & legal abortions … or laws to enshrine basic human rights. All blatant evidence of liberalism’s nefarious plot to enslave a helpless humanity.

Maybe, if you ever get tired of jacking off on threads like this one, you could use Google to do a little real empirical research into just WHO is funding real social engineering – hint: there ain’t a fucking liberal in the bunch. Whichever wingnut icon shovelled THAT talking-point into your otiose skull sold you the Brooklyn Bridge … I hope for your sake you got a receipt. Was it the same one that sold you that tired old trope about “identity politics” perchance? Because that crap was played-out by the time REAGAN left office: the Evangelicals are about the most hardcore identity-pols you’ll ever encounter, with their chant of “proud Judeo-Christian heritage” – & they’re running neck & neck with the neo-nazis. Bonus Question: guess which political party both these groups consistently vote for, again & again & again? Congratulations: you’re onside with folks who think the world is 6,000 years old – & others who sport SS tattoos & worship Adolf Hitler. A Winnar Iz U!

Funny thing: I can argue either issues or character with you anytime – no problem with PROVING (again) what a load of bollocks your dogmatic sloganeering is, nor with showing (again) that your “character” arguments are the same old Rovian pigshit dressed up in a thin veneer of pseudo-logic. Bring it. I welcome the chance to pwn you good & proper. Well, just as soon as you acquire the cojones & the spine to reply, I mean. Still waiting … & waiting … & waiting.

My question is, what is SusanUnPC going to do with all of her hate, come 20 Jan 2009? Get a grant from the Scaife Foundation and dub herself the new Lucianne?

Jennifer, what nonsense. Read your own screed, and tell me how the Democratic gameplan of playing identity politics plays into this. You liberals hate your fellow citizens; you state it time and again on this and other forums.

Liberal social engineering is all about treating people as though they were faceless pawns, subject to the whims of scientific Marxism (whatever you may call it these days.) Guess what, Jennifer? It’s been tried and soundly rejected here in the US.

Argue the issues and I’ll explain (again) where you are wrong; argue character and I’ll point out (again) how Obama is a cheap, empty suit who blew in Chicago’s corrupt winds before bobbing to the surface of an oily Democratic sea. Just don’t think that you can pretend that Obama’s recycling of Cuomo’s 1984 speech is going to scare anyone, or change anyone’s mind: the polls haven’t moved.

Oh, you just wanted some self-congratulatory chest thumping? In that case, go right ahead. I won’t begrudge it to you, as you have some extremely tough days ahead.

Aww. Poor widdle Troof. No longer completely declaring victory for McCain? Sad.

You liberals hate your fellow citizens; you state it time and again on this and other forums.

*sigh* Roofie… there you go, projecting again.

USA Today/Gallup: Obama Enjoying Post-Convention Bump

Kris Alingod – AHN News Writer

Washington, D.C. (AHN) – The latest USA Today/Gallup poll says Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has gained support nationwide from his historic convention.

The freshman Illinois senator is ahead of Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), 50-43 percent. Obama is up from a four-point lead before the convention.

Voters now see Obama as the “strong and decisive leader” by a margin of 46-44 percent, a huge contrast to pre-convention perceptions that had McCain leading on the question by eight points. Obama also nearly doubled his lead on the question of which candidate “shares your values,” trouncing McCain by 13 points.

On Iraq, voters are split 47-46 percent for Obama and McCain respectively, but the Republican senator has lost ground on the issue of terrorism. McCain’s 22-point lead before the convention has now shrunk to nine points.

Voters are still concerned about Obama’s lack of experience, with 50 percent saying they are “very or somewhat concerned,” compared to a pre-convention rating of 57 percent.

In addition, the number of swing voters are down from 30 percent to 21 percent.

The USA Today/Gallup poll was conducted among 1,835 registered voters on Aug. 30-31. Its margin of error is 3 percent.

It’s nice to finally see the hate-filled right wing policies which see people as cheap, interchangeable parts and depend on stirring up scorn against fellow citizens losing, and losing big, and losing big to a black guy. Ha ha ha.

Silver Lining Department – hey, at least they didn’t photoshop a bone through his nose.

I get the same vibe off him that I get off the ANSWER-type jerkoffs, who manage to get up on stage and mention every pet cause no matter what the gathering or demonstration is about.

I’d leave open the possibility he’s a recent involvee – that’s how I was when I had just learned more about politics than that Clinton was OK. Could just be he’s not up on the normal flow of these things – I’ve known a couple of people who were Republican up until recently and – while perfectly sincere in it – have no idea how to shut up about legalization and demilitarization and decorporatization.

You know how Joe Lieberman gets these days? Think about that, only in reverse.

You left out the shitty poets, though. Inevitably, ANSWER will invite shitty poets to inflict their shitty poetry upon the captive audience, in between the Free Mumia and NORML speakers.

I get the same vibe off him that I get off the ANSWER-type jerkoffs, who manage to get up on stage and mention every pet cause no matter what the gathering or demonstration is about.

“Yeah, and also we’re here for TIBET! and WORKER’S RIGHTS! and MARXISM! and FORCED COLLECTIVIZATION!” and after a couple minutes people are walking away, because they came for some particular purpose, not to hear some right-wing psyops plant turn it into a joke.