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	<title>Comments on: Shorter Timothy Shriver</title>
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	<description>Poise! Poise!</description>
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		<title>By: Kip W</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-664426</link>
		<dc:creator>Kip W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter T Shriver: &quot;People who slam handicapped mockers hurt the handicapped.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: dbati</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-654967</link>
		<dc:creator>dbati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went to the IMDB page for &quot;There&#039;s Something About Mary&quot; and found that the guy who played &quot;Warren&quot; is W. Earl Brown, who also played &quot;Dan Dority&quot; in &quot;Deadwood&quot;.

I didn&#039;t see that one at all.

I&#039;ve got nothing on the above noted controversy, though.

Carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went to the IMDB page for &#8220;There&#8217;s Something About Mary&#8221; and found that the guy who played &#8220;Warren&#8221; is W. Earl Brown, who also played &#8220;Dan Dority&#8221; in &#8220;Deadwood&#8221;.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see that one at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing on the above noted controversy, though.</p>
<p>Carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: CS Lewis Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653980</link>
		<dc:creator>CS Lewis Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god this is a stupid controversy.

They are not making fun of disabled people.  They are satirizing Hollywood.

The studio made a mistake in removing Simple Jack from that context.

If Tom is so upset about the portrayal of the mentally disabled in films, you&#039;d think he&#039;d welcome a movie that savagely mocks Hollywood&#039;s manipulative and cynical use of such characters.  But apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god this is a stupid controversy.</p>
<p>They are not making fun of disabled people.  They are satirizing Hollywood.</p>
<p>The studio made a mistake in removing Simple Jack from that context.</p>
<p>If Tom is so upset about the portrayal of the mentally disabled in films, you&#8217;d think he&#8217;d welcome a movie that savagely mocks Hollywood&#8217;s manipulative and cynical use of such characters.  But apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kuda Bux</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653429</link>
		<dc:creator>Kuda Bux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just fine Dan, until the Dylsexic Agenvers get wind of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Someone</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it OK to pick on people with reading comprehension problems?  Am I clear for that?</description>
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		<title>By: gil mann</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653349</link>
		<dc:creator>gil mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;doesn’t mean that anyone — especially an artist — should be censored or practice self-censorship in response.

Well, yeah, but that would be true even if the movie was actually making fun of the handicapped, which it clearly isn&#039;t. (No, I haven&#039;t seen it, but I feel pretty comfortable making this claim since it&#039;s based on the examples given by the guy claiming that the movie makes fun of the handicapped)

It&#039;s one thing to get all worked up just because it&#039;s YOUR ox being gored; it&#039;s another thing to not understand that the butt of the joke is ox-gorers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;doesn’t mean that anyone — especially an artist — should be censored or practice self-censorship in response.</p>
<p>Well, yeah, but that would be true even if the movie was actually making fun of the handicapped, which it clearly isn&#8217;t. (No, I haven&#8217;t seen it, but I feel pretty comfortable making this claim since it&#8217;s based on the examples given by the guy claiming that the movie makes fun of the handicapped)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to get all worked up just because it&#8217;s YOUR ox being gored; it&#8217;s another thing to not understand that the butt of the joke is ox-gorers.</p>
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		<title>By: HTML Mencken</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653288</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML Mencken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But let it be your personal hot buttons, and suddenly it ain’t so funny anymore.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, then out come the Zhdanovian hacks.

Just because we have better, more reasonable things to get our feely-feelies all butthurt about doesn&#039;t mean that anyone -- especially an artist -- should be censored or practice self-censorship in response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But let it be your personal hot buttons, and suddenly it ain’t so funny anymore.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, then out come the Zhdanovian hacks.</p>
<p>Just because we have better, more reasonable things to get our feely-feelies all butthurt about doesn&#8217;t mean that anyone &#8212; especially an artist &#8212; should be censored or practice self-censorship in response.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like some ... well, let&#039;s say &lt;i&gt;maladaptive behavior&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: Johnny Por Favor</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653221</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Por Favor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Herr Doctorb, i actually am compelled to act, on a regular basis, to confront (okay, though not to brutally humiliate) the gawkers, the muttering, pointing, gaping dipshits  who are so eager to feel superior to someone else...that&#039;s why my nose has been broken x5...some call this &quot;the last civil rights movement&quot;---though we know all civil rights are always under attack...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Herr Doctorb, i actually am compelled to act, on a regular basis, to confront (okay, though not to brutally humiliate) the gawkers, the muttering, pointing, gaping dipshits  who are so eager to feel superior to someone else&#8230;that&#8217;s why my nose has been broken x5&#8230;some call this &#8220;the last civil rights movement&#8221;&#8212;though we know all civil rights are always under attack&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653215</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also fantasize about people being brutally humiliated, Johnny.  It&#039;s totally normal.</description>
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		<title>By: Johnny Por Favor</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653195</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Por Favor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...when the subject of people with intellectual disabilities comes up here, most of you folks seem as ignorant and insensitive as the right wing rednecks you expose and skewer so expertly. Sadly, this indicates to those of us working in support of people with disabilities that we have a long way yet to go when seemingly well educated , sophisticated folks such as frequent this site still don&#039;t understand that it is not funny to pick on the most vulnerable and defenseless citizens among us! What i wish for Dan Someone and his ilk is for he and/or a cherished loved one to be brutally humiliated so that they finally gain some insight into what is &quot;funny&quot;, and what is not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;when the subject of people with intellectual disabilities comes up here, most of you folks seem as ignorant and insensitive as the right wing rednecks you expose and skewer so expertly. Sadly, this indicates to those of us working in support of people with disabilities that we have a long way yet to go when seemingly well educated , sophisticated folks such as frequent this site still don&#8217;t understand that it is not funny to pick on the most vulnerable and defenseless citizens among us! What i wish for Dan Someone and his ilk is for he and/or a cherished loved one to be brutally humiliated so that they finally gain some insight into what is &#8220;funny&#8221;, and what is not!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-653103</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what fascinates me about concern trolling: We&#039;re somehow now talking about eugenics and abortion.

What the fuck, people?

As far as I can tell, one of us has seen the movie, so the only question that we can all talk about is, &quot;Does Tim Shriver make a good case that &lt;I&gt;Tropic Thunder&lt;/I&gt; is offensive?&quot;

And I have to agree with Brad that he does not. He cites two quotes, one of which is ambiguous, and one of which seems to be making &lt;I&gt;exactly the same point that he is.&lt;/I&gt;

Maybe Tropic Thunder is incredibly fucking offensive to the mentally disabled. Maybe in context those quotes are terrible; it wouldn&#039;t surprise me in the least.

But right now Tim&#039;s column makes him sound like those guys who accused the Dead Kennedys of hating poor people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what fascinates me about concern trolling: We&#8217;re somehow now talking about eugenics and abortion.</p>
<p>What the fuck, people?</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, one of us has seen the movie, so the only question that we can all talk about is, &#8220;Does Tim Shriver make a good case that <i>Tropic Thunder</i> is offensive?&#8221;</p>
<p>And I have to agree with Brad that he does not. He cites two quotes, one of which is ambiguous, and one of which seems to be making <i>exactly the same point that he is.</i></p>
<p>Maybe Tropic Thunder is incredibly fucking offensive to the mentally disabled. Maybe in context those quotes are terrible; it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me in the least.</p>
<p>But right now Tim&#8217;s column makes him sound like those guys who accused the Dead Kennedys of hating poor people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come nobody has come here from the Actor-American community to protest the Hollywood treatment of actors, the constant stereotyping, in &quot;satires&quot; like this, of actors as shallow, brainless, clueless and self-important jackasses who wait tables or have other menial jobs to support themselves while they wait for their &quot;big break&quot;?

Oh wait, that one&#039;s for real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come nobody has come here from the Actor-American community to protest the Hollywood treatment of actors, the constant stereotyping, in &#8220;satires&#8221; like this, of actors as shallow, brainless, clueless and self-important jackasses who wait tables or have other menial jobs to support themselves while they wait for their &#8220;big break&#8221;?</p>
<p>Oh wait, that one&#8217;s for real.</p>
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		<title>By: Spirula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spirula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last anonymous was me (3;07...not that it matters).  My point is that this movie is targeting a stereotype that studios have exploited.  I won&#039;t defend the movie (haven&#039;t seen it), but this stereotype is something studios have made bundles off of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last anonymous was me (3;07&#8230;not that it matters).  My point is that this movie is targeting a stereotype that studios have exploited.  I won&#8217;t defend the movie (haven&#8217;t seen it), but this stereotype is something studios have made bundles off of.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;They rob a person of a lot of the things that make being human so great. &lt;/I&gt;

If &quot;they&quot; means the behavior and actions of people around them, I&#039;d agree.

I have a cousin who is mentally handicapped.  Oxygen deprived at birth. 
He was always the strange &quot;other&quot; when I was a child.  Indecipherable behavior and scary siezures.  But he was never an object of ridicule.  As I child, however, I never knew quite what to do.  I didn&#039;t know how to react to him or know if I was really communicating to him at all.  Then I watched his siblings.  No big deal to them. 

Fortunately, he had a mother who fought very hard to force the state to acknowlege them as deserving members of the educational system. One of his sisters went on to manage group homes for mentally disabled kids, quite successfully I should add.

When  you see all the movies that have exploited these people for &quot;ahhhh look...how cute!&quot;  (&quot;Rain Man&quot;,  &quot;Flowers for Algernon&quot;, &quot;Forrest Gump&quot;,  &quot;Radio&quot;, &quot;My Other Sister&quot;, &quot;I Am Sam&quot;, &quot;Being There&quot;), I can only think how conveniently wrong they&#039;ve show it.

So there&#039;s that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They rob a person of a lot of the things that make being human so great. </i></p>
<p>If &#8220;they&#8221; means the behavior and actions of people around them, I&#8217;d agree.</p>
<p>I have a cousin who is mentally handicapped.  Oxygen deprived at birth.<br />
He was always the strange &#8220;other&#8221; when I was a child.  Indecipherable behavior and scary siezures.  But he was never an object of ridicule.  As I child, however, I never knew quite what to do.  I didn&#8217;t know how to react to him or know if I was really communicating to him at all.  Then I watched his siblings.  No big deal to them. </p>
<p>Fortunately, he had a mother who fought very hard to force the state to acknowlege them as deserving members of the educational system. One of his sisters went on to manage group homes for mentally disabled kids, quite successfully I should add.</p>
<p>When  you see all the movies that have exploited these people for &#8220;ahhhh look&#8230;how cute!&#8221;  (&#8220;Rain Man&#8221;,  &#8220;Flowers for Algernon&#8221;, &#8220;Forrest Gump&#8221;,  &#8220;Radio&#8221;, &#8220;My Other Sister&#8221;, &#8220;I Am Sam&#8221;, &#8220;Being There&#8221;), I can only think how conveniently wrong they&#8217;ve show it.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s that.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-652960</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I still don’t get why people with no sense of humor come here to read and comment.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s the age-old thing: pushing someone else&#039;s hot buttons is fine (K-Lo is an unfulfilled spinster, so-and-so is a lonely virgin, such-and-such is mentally unbalanced due to improper potty training, etc.). But let it be &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; personal hot buttons, and suddenly it ain&#039;t so funny anymore.

Personally, there have been any number of occasions when somebody on these threads wrote something where I could have, if I were so motivated, gone nuclear on their asses, complete with righteous sob-stories designed to highlight their horrible insensitivity. But fuck that. I come here to laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I still don’t get why people with no sense of humor come here to read and comment.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s the age-old thing: pushing someone else&#8217;s hot buttons is fine (K-Lo is an unfulfilled spinster, so-and-so is a lonely virgin, such-and-such is mentally unbalanced due to improper potty training, etc.). But let it be <i>your</i> personal hot buttons, and suddenly it ain&#8217;t so funny anymore.</p>
<p>Personally, there have been any number of occasions when somebody on these threads wrote something where I could have, if I were so motivated, gone nuclear on their asses, complete with righteous sob-stories designed to highlight their horrible insensitivity. But fuck that. I come here to laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t get why people with no sense of humor come here to read and comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10651.html#comment-652908</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the Massachusetts public school system designated me a Class A Moron. &lt;/i&gt;

I was in the stupid science class in grade 10, a result of having done nothing in grade 9.  

We got Mickey Mouse comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the Massachusetts public school system designated me a Class A Moron. </i></p>
<p>I was in the stupid science class in grade 10, a result of having done nothing in grade 9.  </p>
<p>We got Mickey Mouse comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctorb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a child, I had a terrible stutter.  I was so embarrassed by it that I rarely spoke in class.  Needless to say, I was the object of some ridicule: because of my reticence they assumed I was stupid, and the Massachusetts public school system designated me a Class A Moron. 

The stutter got so bad I was taken out of my grade and put in a special class held in the boiler room.  My only other classmate was named &quot;Gilly&quot;.  He had fallen through the ice as a child and was technically dead for 57 minutes.  They taught us to sweep sawdust so we&#039;d find work at a mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a child, I had a terrible stutter.  I was so embarrassed by it that I rarely spoke in class.  Needless to say, I was the object of some ridicule: because of my reticence they assumed I was stupid, and the Massachusetts public school system designated me a Class A Moron. </p>
<p>The stutter got so bad I was taken out of my grade and put in a special class held in the boiler room.  My only other classmate was named &#8220;Gilly&#8221;.  He had fallen through the ice as a child and was technically dead for 57 minutes.  They taught us to sweep sawdust so we&#8217;d find work at a mill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really bad misstep, Brad. You&#039;re better than this.</description>
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