http://www.thealders.net/blogs/2008/08/04/john-songbird-mccain-supports-the-troops/

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org/

Linky right here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/maupin_exe.htm

So – the anti-Kerry crowd is gonna come screaming at McCain for this one, right? And Mr. Indeedy is gonna start going all Indeedily again, right?

The fucks a political hack, a thug, a sellout and oh by the way he can’t deliver a speech on a bet in an opium den.

All true. And in spite of that, he’s still got a serious shot at winning.

I’m not ready to go there.
But at the end of the day, I’d rather feel shitty about winning than look at a Google Earth picture of where Tehran used to be and wish I’d done more to keep McCain out of office.

I regret to inform you, but with all these right-wingers in public office right now, honour is a glut on the market. Perhaps you would do better to divest some other properties at the moment. I am given to understand that dishonesty and political expediency are in high demand at the moment, should you have any reserves.

Cordially,

Interrobang,
Characteristics Funds Manager, First International Bank of Moral Turpitude

If we do win without it, we look so damn good, so inspiring, and so shiny that the Republicans will be forced to attack people on substantive issues hereafter.

Sorry. Nothing on this world or any other could make that happen –not even torture.

How about:

McCain was a POW.
McCain was tortured as a POW.
This resulted in him signing whatever false confession thing that anyone other than a fictional character would do, sooner or later. Nobody can fault him for that, unless they’re an asshole.
Forty years later, McCain is basically endorsing torture (of others) as a means of getting important information. He has firsthand knowledge of how well that works, as well as of what it is to endure. And he is still willing to “compromise” his anti-torture stance.

That’s really, really fucked up.

Too many words! If it’s any longer than “McCain is a flipper flopper on nut zappin’,” your audience will get bored.

How dare you! How very dare you!

That’s sure some white-hot overnight thread, there.

Glad all I ever wanted to be was a double-naught spy or a fry-cook.

Good point. Actually, as Billmon always has pointed out, McCain pretty much has contempt for the political and media establishment, and he has good reason to feel contempt for those comtemptable assholes and bitches.

We might be able to use that against him somewhat.

BUT why is it necessary to know details? McCain is on the record as saying Torture is bad. Now he blows it off. He is a hypocrite. Why is it necessary to say, “HE’S ALSO A SQUEALER”?

There may be reason to poke into every corner of McCain’s life if you believe that you have to know yourself, know your enemy, and know the ground & weather you’re fighting on and in.

We know ourselves: a smallish group of fairly cynical people who want to end the neocon disease, or at least go into remission for a time so our country can heal. We have to partner with and convince a larger group of people, who aren’t as cynical as we are, to fight with us, and keep them with us. We have to get this guy who we kinda, sorta like, a pretty smart guy who doesn’t really agree with us that much, but who is sane, to be president.

We know the swampy, treacherous ground we’re fighting on: an American public that’s pretty ignorant, dumb and rather childish. But which may have actually noticed that their current government sucks. “Normal” political tactics don’t work so well on this swampy ground.

We know the weather: a nasty, whorish, biased, and trivial media that will selectively rain on us but not on our opponent, and which will try to find any weakness in us and broadcast it, and will also try to cover us with muck and mud at any opportunity. This weather/media will never get any better.

This website has already done a great job of showing us our opponents, with their mostly stupid and irrational, but quite dogged and well-financed, hatred toward us and everything we stand for. Now it might be a good idea to learn as much as we can about McCain. Even if we don’t decide to use the smears about McCain’s captivity, we should try to learn as much as we can about his captivity, his life, his marriages, whatever. It gives us that much more ability to fuck him but good.

So more research is needed ‘not for mocking’ but to know more about what really happened to McCain as a PoW? Was he actually tortured? Did he trade information for favors? Was he really called “the Songbird”?

The alternative is all the people who decided to give a damn about this election cycle turning over and going back to bed, turned off by politics and usual and buying the canard that both parties are the same. Kerry lost because he started playing the game, (and because he played it so poorly, the man was so tepid, so nice to that imbecile and his handlers.)

If we play their game, we play by the rules they’ve already codified and formalized for at this point generations. Let’s all go play a new game instead.

Once more, with feeling: The subject is fair game for further research because mostly it is relevant to McCain’s position on war and torture, and is potentially relevant to McCain’s macho posture.